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Vicki
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The better the troops are doing in Iraq, the less the MSM wants to report on it. Combat deaths are down by 70% since May yet we hear NOTHING of how good they are doing.
Thaddox
QUOTE (Vicki @ Dec 7 2007, 10:04 AM) *
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The better the troops are doing in Iraq, the less the MSM wants to report on it. Combat deaths are down by 70% since May yet we hear NOTHING of how good they are doing.


Hey Vik,
It kinda lends to the old saying; "No News is Good News"..
zikla215
As I say, the American public are extremly hypocrytical and only look to draw blood. Never to give our leaders the credit they deserve. For example, the people who ALWAYS complain about the war or even airport security checks, are the FIRST to open thier mouths and complain when a terrorist attack occurs. This is the sad truth that we live in, where no one can cooperate in order to achieve progress.
Zarathustra
Since most TV news prefers the video excitement of a scene of disasters or after-effects of a bombing, it is not surprising that Iraq becomes---for them---non-news. After all, who wants to watch a newscaster talking without some interesting scene to watch for the 45 seconds devoted to the story?
In the less-than-30 minutes time alloted for informing the citizenry, every second counts, and the more "entertaining" the video, the more the national TV news can "cover" and the higher the ratings.
Z


PS (2-29-08)
Recently a local TV station has advertised that its NewsHour guarantees 50 news items every day. Now it doesn't define "news item," but considering the programme lasts one hour (less two commercial breaks) this means an average news item will last something around one minute!
dc3
It's the old if it bleeds it leads end of business. I do have to admit that I'm surprised that the Republicans haven't tried to use these figures to bolster their position on their stand.
Zarathustra
I believe McCain has pointed this out.
Z
Thaddox
QUOTE (zikla215 @ Dec 7 2007, 12:29 PM) *
As I say, the American public are extremly hypocrytical and only look to draw blood. Never to give our leaders the credit they deserve. For example, the people who ALWAYS complain about the war or even airport security checks, are the FIRST to open thier mouths and complain when a terrorist attack occurs. This is the sad truth that we live in, where no one can cooperate in order to achieve progress.


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mk1228
Let's not get carried away here. Troop casualties are down which is great b/c they certainly need a break. That means violence is down as well, which is also good. It's like the cops raiding a party. The partying stops & the partyers scatter. The purpose of this surge was to quell the violence long enough so that the Iraqi gov't could find common ground & pass some meaningful legislation the Iraqi people could rally around. It seems its no closer to that than before the surge started. How long can troop levels be sustained at present levels before you see a breakdown? They can't be deployed forever. After the cops leave, partying starts all over again.
Thaddox
QUOTE (mk1228 @ Dec 7 2007, 02:19 PM) *
Let's not get carried away here. Troop casualties are down which is great b/c they certainly need a break. That means violence is down as well, which is also good. It's like the cops raiding a party. The partying stops & the partyers scatter. The purpose of this surge was to quell the violence long enough so that the Iraqi gov't could find common ground & pass some meaningful legislation the Iraqi people could rally around. It seems its no closer to that than before the surge started. How long can troop levels be sustained at present levels before you see a breakdown? They can't be deployed forever. After the cops leave, partying starts all over again.


Exactly, then the MSM will have their cameras ready...!! IT'S SHOWTIME....!!!
JohnWho
Uh, the left-leaning, anti-Bush main stream media isn't reporting something that may make Bush look good!?

I'm shocked!

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Thaddox
QUOTE (Zarathustra @ Dec 7 2007, 12:36 PM) *
Since most TV news prefers the video excitement of a scene of disasters or after-effects of a bombing, it is not surprising that Iraq becomes---for them---non-news. After all, who wants to watch a newscaster talking without some interesting scene to watch for the 45 seconds devoted to the story?
In the less-than-30 minutes time alloted for informing the citizenry, every second counts, and the more "entertaining" the video, the more the national TV news can "cover" and the higher the ratings.
Z


That (trully) pretty muchh sums it up thumbup2.gif
primadude98
Hello room everybody happy??
primadude98
QUOTE (Thaddox @ Dec 7 2007, 07:19 PM) *
That (trully) pretty muchh sums it up thumbup2.gif

MostTV news is a compete bore with theirown agendas..Used to thenews was just reported not made
unjustjohn
QUOTE (Vicki @ Dec 7 2007, 10:04 AM) *
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The better the troops are doing in Iraq, the less the MSM wants to report on it. Combat deaths are down by 70% since May yet we hear NOTHING of how good they are doing.



Dear Vicki,
It's not exciting unless you get to see the train wreck.
People don't pay thirty dollars to see some guy win the race, heck they came to see the cars crash!
Also it's not to the betterment of our waring leaders if the news reports the trueth about how those numbers got that way!

You see, there is no-Iraq army.

There is a bunch of extremists using the warheads of weapons left lying around, and now the rulers of those extremists must pick and choose where they want to blowup people for the best effect!

Other than getting re-supplies from other places and other countries, they are running out of munitions to make their IED's with!

It's not that our guys are winning any battles, because there are no-battles being fought.

Our troops are like the little ducks at the arcade shooting gallery. They are just driving around looking for someone to shoot at them first, and then they get to shoot back. But until this happens:

they just drive and drive waiting for someone to take a potshot at them, all the while praying that today is not the day somebody collected enough explosive to build an IED big enough to blow up their Humvee!

This is the cold hard facts of this war!

The number of assaults are only down becasue those extremists are running low on bomb making supplies. Right now even, Arm ina dinner jacket of Iran is a bit worried about getting caught sending the terroists any of his stuff.

But rest assured, there are those in his country willing to take a chance of slipping explosives across the border. "THE MONEY IS JUST TOO DARN GOOD" to stop illegal trafficking of weapons!

Then just like the CEO's of our tobacco companies; he can swear under oath thta he knows nothing about it!

Meanwhile, The "NEWS GUYS" are running around your neighborhood looking for some mother who left her baby in the public toilet to die!

Isn't horrible how we have become?
Fifth of November
I bet if there was ever a real success in Iraq, the media would report on it. A lower death count one month doesn't make success. Until Iraq is a real independent country again, and our soldiers aren't walking around waiting to find IEDs, then there has been no progress to speak of since Saddam was dethroned.
Tebow4President
QUOTE (Fifth of November @ Feb 29 2008, 04:54 AM) *
I bet if there was ever a real success in Iraq, the media would report on it. A lower death count one month doesn't make success. Until Iraq is a real independent country again, and our soldiers aren't walking around waiting to find IEDs, then there has been no progress to speak of since Saddam was dethroned.


I have to agree. As far as the media coverage goes, I think Vietnam being the "dinner TV show" it was for awhile really changed the way the military/media get us information.
JohnWho
QUOTE (Fifth of November @ Feb 29 2008, 04:54 AM) *
I bet if there was ever a real success in Iraq, the media would report on it.


There have been many success - the MSM either ignores them or puts them on the back pages.


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A lower death count one month doesn't make success. Until Iraq is a real independent country again, and our soldiers aren't walking around waiting to find IEDs, then there has been no progress to speak of since Saddam was dethroned.


"Until Iraq is a real independent country again" - you mean like when Saddam was in power?

Otherwise, what you've described is close to "total" success, and I'd sure like to see it come about as well.


However, the MSM reports every little negative event in Iraq but it ignores the positive. I believe that was the point of this topic and I agree with that point.
Sphinx
You know, I've read reports on how the MSM actually affected the outcome of Vietnam. Apparently, if you look at the Tet Offensive statistics (which the MSM reported as a complete and terrible loss) we actually won that battle. We beat them back and suffered only a fraction of their losses, but since the reporters in Vietnam kept reporting the terrible damage and destruction inflicted on us that people started to believe it was an unwinnable war. That was a while ago that I read the report, so don't quote me exactly on it, but it is certainly interesting if it is true. It's probably happening again in Iraq.
Vicki
I'm quite certain if there had been reporters on the ground during WWI and WWII (our two successes) those wars would have been miserable failures as well.

The MSM is so full of bleeding hearts, and left wing crybabies.

WAR IS HELL - there is no nice way to put it. I wish we could all turn back the clock to the 50's when everyone lived in relative comfort not concerning themselves in everyday world affairs. However that day is gone and we (rightly) are conserned about world affairs.

The men and Women in Iraq are doing a wonderful job! They are well liked in the areas they have cleaned out. Cities are getting on with their lives and buying and selling as going on in the street markets again.

We should be proud of them.

If you want a good example of the MSM censored2.gif ing up the wars - Look at what just happened to Prince Harry. Here was a young man that felt it was his moral obligation to be involved in the war effort. After finally gaining the permission of his grandmum, off he went to do his duty. He was under a media blackout for his safety and the men and women with him, and the British media understood this but an (sorry Doug) Australian news source desided to out him and he had to be pulled back.

Is that right - to report a story and damn the consequences?
Samuel
QUOTE (Vicki @ Mar 1 2008, 11:38 AM) *
I'm quite certain if there had been reporters on the ground during WWI and WWII (our two successes) those wars would have been miserable failures as well.

The MSM is so full of bleeding hearts, and left wing crybabies.

WAR IS HELL - there is no nice way to put it. I wish we could all turn back the clock to the 50's when everyone lived in relative comfort not concerning themselves in everyday world affairs. However that day is gone and we (rightly) are conserned about world affairs.

The men and Women in Iraq are doing a wonderful job! They are well liked in the areas they have cleaned out. Cities are getting on with their lives and buying and selling as going on in the street markets again.

We should be proud of them.

If you want a good example of the MSM censored2.gif ing up the wars - Look at what just happened to Prince Harry. Here was a young man that felt it was his moral obligation to be involved in the war effort. After finally gaining the permission of his grandmum, off he went to do his duty. He was under a media blackout for his safety and the men and women with him, and the British media understood this but an (sorry Doug) Australian news source desided to out him and he had to be pulled back.

Is that right - to report a story and damn the consequences?


Hi Vicki,

Our casulties have been low for the last 5 months. In fact, they have been lower than any 5 month period I can see since we went in there.
Tebow4President
Is that right - to report a story and damn the consequences?

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Ask Scooter Libby and your boy Cheney, they know
Vicki
I NEVER said Anything about Chaney.

Here I'll say something about him. He can't shoot right!
JohnWho
QUOTE (Tebow4President @ Mar 3 2008, 01:58 PM) *
Is that right - to report a story and damn the consequences?
Ask Scooter Libby and your boy Cheney, they know


I don't understand -

you defend the MSM by attacking Libby and Cheney?


As far as I can tell, they do not own or govern what the MSM says or does.


I'm still waiting for all the "Cheney wants to rule the world" folks to explain why he isn't running for President.

Maybe it's because he really didn't want to rule the world?

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