Hector Lanes
Nov 27 2007, 10:10 PM
I am a Catholic myself, but I still believe that or Arab brothers' God is equal as mine. Religion is a small problem, or shall I say roadblocks in the unision of Earth. Not just God and Allah, but all of the other religions included should stop us from uniting as brother and sisters. All of our religions are not the same but I bet all of our gods don not wish for war and death.
CrazyDwarf
Nov 28 2007, 12:22 AM
How did you arrive at being/becoming a Catholic Hector? And do you believe that all religions worship God?
John 4:23-24 (New American Standard Bible)
23"But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
24"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
solaris32
Nov 28 2007, 04:20 AM
I agree Hector. If it makes you feel better to believe in a religion, then more power to you. And like you said, it is completely unnecessary to fight about it.
Zarathustra
Nov 28 2007, 10:29 AM
I wish more people would spend more time listening to Beethoven's Ninth than they do screaming their dogma.
Alle Menschen verden Bruder!
Z
JohnWho
Nov 28 2007, 02:18 PM
QUOTE (Zarathustra @ Nov 28 2007, 10:29 AM)

I wish more people would spend more time listening to Beethoven's Ninth than they do screaming their dogma.
Z
But not drinking Jim Beam's Fifth!?

Seriously, I agree.
Mara
Nov 28 2007, 03:22 PM
It's terrific to read your words Hector!
As my Father used to say (and he was a great Christian) ... "it's no skin off my nose if someone believes in another God, as long as they do no harm".
Hector Lanes
Nov 28 2007, 07:37 PM
QUOTE (CrazyDwarf @ Nov 27 2007, 09:22 PM)

How did you arrive at being/becoming a Catholic Hector? And do you believe that all religions worship God?
John 4:23-24 (New American Standard Bible)
23"But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
24"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
No they don't but I don't believe that killing for any god is the right thing. I am not insulting the muslims I am just saying that murder is not what any god wants, not just mine
Hector Lanes
Nov 28 2007, 09:18 PM
QUOTE (Mara @ Nov 28 2007, 12:22 PM)

It's terrific to read your words Hector!
As my Father used to say (and he was a great Christian) ... "it's no skin off my nose if someone believes in another God, as long as they do no harm".

Isn't that what I said on the top? I don't believe war is for religion.
cuddleupnow
Jan 26 2008, 09:00 AM
QUOTE (Hector Lanes @ Nov 29 2007, 12:37 AM)

No they don't but I don't believe that killing for any god is the right thing. I am not insulting the muslims I am just saying that murder is not what any god wants, not just mine
Absolutely spot on. Religion through the ages has caused too many wars and killings in my opinion and it should make no difference what our faith is. There is only 1 God and we are all human beings regardless what we believe in.
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"it's no skin off my nose if someone believes in another God, as long as they do no harm".
Now that is the best sentiment I have ever read and I totally agree with it. Here is another one for you to consider as well.
" Love all, trust few and do harm to none." If you don't understand what the phrase is telling you then let me enlighten you. It means, love everyone as love is the best thing in the world and should have no boundaries. Trust only a select few because if you trust everyone then you will get burnt. And do harm to none speaks for itself. Don't do unto others what you don't want done to yourself.
JohnWho
Jan 26 2008, 09:13 AM
QUOTE (cuddleupnow @ Jan 26 2008, 09:00 AM)

Absolutely spot on. Religion through the ages has caused too many wars and killings in my opinion and it should make no difference what our faith is.
Is it religion that causes wars and killings, or is it some man's missrepresentation and false understanding of that religion which causes those actons?
Aren't most religions peaceful and benign until the religious concepts are applied incorrectly?
cuddleupnow
Jan 26 2008, 09:59 AM
QUOTE (JohnWho @ Jan 26 2008, 02:13 PM)

Is it religion that causes wars and killings, or is it some man's missrepresentation and false understanding of that religion which causes those actons?
Aren't most religions peaceful and benign until the religious concepts are applied incorrectly?
The pogroms in russia trying to eliminate the Jews was in the name of religion. The troubles in Northern Ireland were in the name of religion. The Inquisition was done in the name of religion ( in the name of religion being the operative here ). But you are correct. Most of the conflicts that are fought in the name of religion aren't actually about the religious issue at all but all about politics and power. When examined closely, even the fight between muslim and christian is not so much about our faith in God or Allah but about territory and power. Our faith and what we believe in does not make us any different from our neighbor and it sure does not mean that because we believe in God we're better than someone who believes in Allah. The Bible, Talmud or Qran are only man's interpretation of what we believe is the word of God, Jehovah or Allah. Those who get overzealous about religion then use their interpretation to justify their actions. In my opinion religion should be kept as a personal choice without being used as a means to cause harm to anyone.
Zarathustra
Jan 26 2008, 10:41 AM
What a particular religion IS, is its historical manifestation. Once an Idea becomes historical, it becomes "human," and is therefore subject not only to human interpretation, but human USE (and this can be either "good" or "evil" depending on one's morality). We almost want to say (based on some feeling within us): a religion is defiled by history. For example, the history of the Western world illustrates to what ends it can be put by priests, warriors, government officials, as well as (on the other hand) saints.
Z
Vicki
Jan 26 2008, 10:43 AM
QUOTE (JohnWho @ Jan 26 2008, 08:13 AM)

Is it religion that causes wars and killings, or is it some man's missrepresentation and false understanding of that religion which causes those actons?
Aren't most religions peaceful and benign until the religious concepts are applied incorrectly?
Well said John. From the what I was taught - God is Love. Christ DIED and rose again, for EVERYONE! All he asks in return is that we believe he did it. When Jesus was asked what the greatest law was, He stated - Love your neighbor as yourself.
jbeau36
Jan 27 2008, 05:24 PM
We should respect everyone's right to practice any religon they chose, but if you believe what the bible
say's Mohammed, Buddah, and any other so called God's are false prophet's. Matthew 24:24.
jbeau36
Jan 27 2008, 05:40 PM
No matter how I feel about other religon's I am to love them just as I love christians. I don't much
care for the term religon, believing Christ died and rose for my sin's is faith.
You are right Vicki love thy neighbor as thyself, is what God teaches us as hard as that is to follow
sometimes.
To have zeal for Christ is just, but when God's word get's twisted and distorted by athiest then
maybe I would be a bit overzealous.
I would not however walk into a crowd with a bomb strapped on kill innocent's for nothing!!!
That's not called zeal, that's called insanity!!!!
Zarathustra
Jan 28 2008, 10:57 AM
It certainly does not take a degree in history to understand that men may pick and choose words to fit their desires, or interpret dogma to their own ends, or to authentically interpret their actions as inspired by God. One has only to look around the world through the eyes of reporters to see what intolerance can bring to individual's lives.
Without being dogmatic, it does seem to me that what is important in each religion is not whether everyone believes "X" or bows down before one idol instead of another, but how it demands that individuals lead a new life by changing themselves. If the world is to be transformed and bettered, it seems that the great religions tell us it is only by transforming oneself. I am always reminded of the motto:"If everyone lit just one little candle, what a bright world this would be."
Z
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