Religion in USA

In the USA what a person believes in or about religion is the business of no one else in the world. What an American thinks/believes in or about government is the business of all other Americans.

Allan

I tend to agree with the first sentence; religion is a matter of conscience. I am not sure, though, about the second sentence; does this mean that others have a right to know what political views I have if I chose not to disclose it, and can they enforce that right by any means available?
Z

The first part, yes. For the second part, I'm not so sure if I agree. (McCarthyism anyone?)

If the second assertion is true, then why are ballots secret?
Z

Good responses here, thank you.

There can be no legal force forcing an American to reveal anything, especially about self.

Article of Amendment #5

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

However, in the power of citizenship citizens are one, the citizenry, and divided we fall and in unison we succeed in our Duties of Citizenship. In citizenship we are connected, our freedom from government abuse depends on our neighbor (each other). The citizenry is the other side and opposite of government.

Allan

I assume this applies to everyone of all countries and nationalities. But what are you getting at?

You assume incorrectly, read it again, the heading is “Religion in USA”. Religion in the USA does not apply to everyone in the world. Everyone in the world does not have a government constitutionally forbidden any jurisdiction in religion.

U.S. Constitution regarding religion:

Article VI

Clause 3. …; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

AND

Article of Amendment #1 (Bill of Rights)

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; …

The points are Americans are free of and from government religious laws. But to maintain that freedom from government abuse Americans must in a majority be of one mind about the purpose of government and their Duty in Citizenship.

Allan

I agree. but what I meant was all countries should have the freedoms we do. But we shouldn't force our ideals on them if they don't want it. Also, why are you telling us this? Have you had some conflict somewhere regarding this?

“all countries should have the freedoms we do.”

Yes

”But we shouldn't force our ideals on them if they don't want it.

Yes

”why are you telling us this?”

So you will know the Constitution and your Duty in Citizenship.

”Have you had some conflict somewhere regarding this?”

Yes, Americans live in a criminal/unconstitutional slave state owned or controlled by a foreign country, Israel. Wake up.

Allan

Oh dear, I'm confused.

How on earth is the USA a "criminal/unconstitutional slave state owned or controlled by a foreign country, Israel"? And unless I'm wrong, the proportion of Jewish faith people in the States is very low compared to other religions?

Most people don’t look behind the screen like in the wizard of Oz. If you are really interested in finding out the truth visit my group or Google Revilo P. Oliver.

My group has links to Oliver and much more:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/citizen-power/

Oliver spoke about the controllers for forty years (1960-1990) and going back in history the list grows.

You are correct about the proportion; it’s a bit less than 3% in USA. But that three percent also own Hollywood (movies), TV, and major New Media – check it out.

Allan

Are you saying that American are being brainwashed by the Jewish community through entertainment? I would hope I have stronger mental toughness to withstand a good brainwashing.

Don't listen to that toaster, I have it on good authority that it's a liar.

Allan - your observations disturb me a little, they have the odour of a simmering anti-semitism ....... is this correct? It is said that 'hardship developes character' and I have thought for some time, that the Jews of this world have been fighting hostility and repression for centuries and this has made them very strong on self preservation and spurred them on to succeed wherever possible. Ufortunately this has created a vicious circle - more success, more hostility and jealousy. Not that all successful Jews are admirable people, they have their "black sheep" as does every other racial and ethic group on earth!

Irrespective of the ownership of financial and media controls, I believe that most citizens have enough 'nous' to be aware of happening events, and enough power to register opposition to manipulation - perhaps not always successfully, but enough for the powers-that-be to pull back from any blatant abuse of people's rights. Or I would sincerely hope so...

Well said, Quietmike, because I too have no fear that the Jewish people are 'taking over'. And as Cory mentioned, most of us have little to fear from brainwashing by any group of people, thankfully.


Allan. when I clicked on the link provided ... the first message at that site says, "

(Quote) "White Racist (Americans) and proud of it.
[ - - - - ) very good broadcast this week and suggest everyone listen to it. Also, posted the URL above under "Links" at discussion group site.
... by Allan D Hampton" (Unquote).

Is that you, my any chance?

- - - -
Hi dc3 ... who/what is a toaster?

EDIT by Mara - I removed the link to the above noted broadcast

Anti-Semitic, what is that?

Yes, the Jewish people are very successful on other people’s labor.

"White Racist (Americans) and proud of it.”

Yes, I posted that, it is a URL to a radio broadcast of the National Alliance and the National Alliance is White racist and proud of it. Are you not proud of your race and did you listen to the broadcast?

Which is worse for USA White racist or Jew racist? First read John 8: 42 to 47 in the Bible.

Do Americans have a duty in citizenship, or anywhere else, to fund and arm Israel for over fifty years?

Allan

Wondering 'Allan' are you a member of any organization,relevant to this Topic?

Allan, please do forgive me if I'm misjudging something ...

I too am a bit confused ... a white supremist/racist? Does that mean you feel you are one?

I'm mentally stuttering here trying to find the right words - simply because I don't understand. Literally, do not understand.

And I wonder if perhaps I've misunderstood and the intent of your post is simply to discuss how/why it's felt so many Jewish people 'hold so much power' - or is the post intended to see if there are other white supremists (?) that feel as I suspect you do?

Again, I do apologise if I have this all wrong ... on the other hand, Allan, although I'm speaking as a member here only, I'm not sure this is the forum for one to spout 'hate' against any group of people.

Mara we don't have a forum for this type of topic, but we do have a rule that may be worth noticing...

There will be no racial, ethnic, gender based insults or any other personal discriminations. This will not be tolerated and can lead to immediate suspension.

You are quite right, dc3, and I'm aware of our rule ... I've simply been hoping that Allan will clarify things by stating that my assumptions were wrong and it was not his intent to use our forum for something that I suspect he already knows is a huge no-no.

I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt at least once - and I'm laughing as I type these words as confusion can reign at the best of times (eg my lovely male cousin from Englad offered to "knock me up". Eep!

Mara, I know that you are aware of the rule, but I wasn't so sure about Allan and wanted to just cover that base.

Is your cousin aware of the connotation of that phrase over here?

I want to file a formal complaint about the above message and "moderator" dc3 for name calling (toaster) and lying unless dc3 presents his "good authority" (evidence) that I am a liar or issues a formal apology.

Allan

P.S. speaking of liars did you read what Christ said in the Bible in John 8: 42 to 47?

(Moderator edit: Sorry,my mistake.Wrong Post that I wanted to Edit. DSTM)

I read the Bible,Allan, and Judgement day is fast approaching.

Allan,If you have any Complaints,feel free to PM any Global Moderator or Admin.

Allan... Your name wasn't mentioned in this post, and I did not call anyone a liar or a toaster.

dc3, are you one of those described in John 8: 42 to 47?

Allan

No racist or racism of any form is good for the US or any other country.

And, as has been pointed out:

There will be no racial, ethnic, gender based insults or any other personal discriminations. This will not be tolerated and can lead to immediate suspension.


meaning it is also not good for, and will not be tolerated, on this site.

Yours too?

I have a toaster/oven and when the bell goes off saying it's done, it is not and I have to keep whatever I'm cooking in it for a longer period.

I thought it was just mine, but perhaps there's a conspiracy?

Worse, it told me to put my money in the housing market last year. I don't think it likes me very much.

"No racist or racism of any form is good for the US or any other country."

That statement is your opinion and my opinion disagrees with it. The enemy, the supreme racist, of mankind and USA agrees with your opinion and use racism as a tool to control people. Which are you the enemy or simply ignorant of the subjects, racism and the enemy political agenda of control?

Allan

Allan - in my experience, there ain't nothing stopping anyone rolling up sleeves and working for themselves......

Mara - just an aside in this thread ... as an ex-patriat "pom" (Englishman) here in Australia, I got into real trouble one time by saying to a lady acquaintance,
"o.k. let's have it away" from the english expression" let's have it away on our toes, meaning "let's hurry up - get a move on and go" - it seems that over here it means let's indulge in some intimate dalliance (to put it fairly genteely!). Pleasant though the thought could have been it was not well received (until I explained my ignorance of the term...)
Regards, Mike

True, but USA government takes American wages (labor) and funds and arms Israel with them, been doing that for over fifty years. Then check out the Kosher Tax, then tell me Americans are not laboring for Israel.

USA governemnt does not have the authority to tax Americans and give that tax money away to anyone (it is a crime), much less fund and arm a government of an enemy country.

Allan

Umm...
This says otherwise.
Kosher Tax

I don't know if you're one of these extremist organizations, but I'm sure it would be appreciated if you kept your personal Anti-Semitic beliefs to yourself. Not doing so goes against the forum rules, and I'm sure it is offensive to some users.

Well put. Besides, with Jesus himself being a Jew, I don't see how we can call ourselves Christians and be anti-semitic. After all, after Jesus rose from the grave and the gospel was spread, it was told to the Jews first then to us Gentiles (just read the Book of Acts. It chronicles the early church). Paul (who wrote most of the New Testament) would go into the synagogues first then to the general populous of the city or town he was in.

Seafox14

Good for you, Sphinx.

I meant to get back to this the other day, but my mind got side-tracked.

Anyway, even Snopes.com addresses this: The Kosher Nostra.


By the way - Hebrew National Hot Dogs are arguably one of the best and highest quality hot dogs on the market. Although, at 5 to a package while hot dog buns are 8 in a pack still doesn't make sense, it is a problem that we all share.

Well, this seems more of a problem from where The Colonel's sitting. I suppose it's okay if you have a family of five that's not very hungry and likes to feed the birds! But the best answer (family of four) would surely be to buy two tins of the hotdogs and have two doubles for the biggest family member, burp! I hope my genius has helped you there JohnWho.






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My life will be forever changed.

The URL is a lie put out by liars as described in John 8: 42 – 47 (Sons of Satan)

http://www.koshertax.com/

http://www.radioislam.org/judaism/kosher.htm

http://www.libreopinion.com/members/standa...question05.html

“The Kosher Food Tax is the biggest consumer fraud existing in America. Examine every item in your cupboards for either the (U) or (K) labels. These symbols represent a Jewish "blessing" and when these small symbols are detected, it means that you have unwittingly paid a tax to a Jewish religious group. They will not always be on the front of the package; they may be hidden amid the small print near the label's seam. This cryptic code has to do with a Hebrew "secret," a heist, which illuminates the Jews' power in the United States. The circled "U," sometimes with the word "Parve," stands for Union of Orthodox Jews (UOJCA), the "K" stands for Kosher (KOV K).”

Allan

Allan, you are using that passage out of context. for the full context.John 8

This chapter contains the account of the adulterous woman that was brought before Jesus to try and trip him up so that the Pharisees could try and trap him. the rest of the chapter is Jesus confronting the people with their sinful nature compared to his holy one as an example and the people accusing him of being possessed by the devil.

You are twisting that passage into an accusation of only the Jews when it applies to all people that are unrepentant and unsaved. It is NOT an excuse for spreading hatred or degradation of the Jews or people that oppose anti-semitism. I cannot in good conscience allow you to do this without responding to this twisting of my Faith (Christianity). I will continue to pray for you to have a change of hart and for God to open your eyes to the real truth.

BTW I have worked in stores that sold Kosher products. They were usually less expensive that the products of the same type sold under a major name brand.

Seafox14

John 8:

42
Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and am here; I did not come on my own, but he sent me.
43
Why do you not understand what I am saying? Because you cannot bear to hear my word.
44
You belong to your father the devil and you willingly carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks in character, because he is a liar and the father of lies.
45
But because I speak the truth, you do not believe me.
46
Can any of you charge me with sin? If I am telling the truth, why do you not believe me?
47
Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not listen, because you do not belong to God."

Allan

Let me see -

we can choose between 3 websites, 2 of which are racist, anti-jewish, hate filled and the third is a mostly spanish site with an agenda that I can't discern but oddly has one page that is in english

or

the highly respected Wikipedia site (which is scrutinized and changed often to provide accurate information and contains other links on the subject) and the very authoritative Snopes.com website?

I'm going with the authoritative sites rather than the hate-filled ones, as I suspect most folks will.

Yes, that's right JohnWho. I don't care much for anti-Semitism.

Churchill warned the Germans before WWII; 'Anti Semitism is good for a start, but it always ends with a very sticky finish'.

I wonder, is "organised" religion unifying or divisive?

I would suggest both.
It unifies one group of believers into a sect, but then divides that sect from the commonality from which it came.
Z

Wow, I had to go to the first page to even find out what was going on here. Apparantly the title should have been Judaism in USA. While it does seem that the state of Isreal is being unconditionally supported by the US, I think that is a separate issue than the religios aspect of Judaism.

Hey Allan, I'll bet your favorite paper is the Spotlight isn't it.

Hey Allan,

Guess what? Israel is the only nation that has paid us back every time. And Israel isn't our enemy but the last time I looked Neo-Nazis were.

And isn't it interesting that no one is forcing anyone to buy them if they don't want to. (Sorry, John, this is ment for Allan)

Nope, the American people are NOT labering for the nation Israel;

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/tax.html


It is a consumer choice if they choose to buy a kosher product or not and it is the decision of a manufacturer who they purchase product endorsements from. Also, the manufacture of kosher food has nothing to do with giving it a “blessing”. There are numerous technical requirements that need to be satisfied in order for food to be considered kosher.

And why??

In the USA, there are more non-Jewish consumers of kosher food than Jewish consumers. One of the reasons for this is that there are other people apart from Jews (e.g. Moslems) who don’t eat pork and they can be assured that the kosher food does not contain any. Another reason is that some people are allergic to milk products and since kosher food is labelled as either being “meat”, “dairy” or “parve” (neutral) then they can be assured of the contents. Another reason is that because of the extra supervision kosher food undergoes, it is perceived by some consumers to be of higher quality. Also, because of the method of preparation of Kosher chickens (they are plucked in cold water rather than hot) there is a lower risk of the transmission of salmonella.