Wondering what the concensus is amongst the American People. Is Bush right in staying on,or do you think he should pull out?
Do you think this Conflict is winnable,or starting to look like another Vietnam? 2007 was the worst year yet for War Dead,and the 2008 Iracq War Budget is around 460 Billion Dollars, plus how many times he may ask to increase this amount.How long can these 460 Billion Dollar Bugets go on for, before it starts to seriously affect the Economy?Interested in your thoughts.

One Story. http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/06/africa/iraq.php

A somewhat loaded question.

Bush has made some incorrect decisions regarding Iraq, as would have many of his detractors in the US Congress, so whether Bush is "right" or not in what he's done or doing will never be a simple "yes or no" answer, in my opinion.

Separating whether we should be there or not from the fact that we are there makes the answer to whether we should pull out a liitle more clear to me. Pulling out in the manner put forth by many of the US Democrats in Congress would be even more catastrophic than the situation is now.

Answering in order:

This country never should have invaded Iraq in the first place. If Hussein chose to ignore the United Nothings, if he wanted to gas his own people, if he wanted to start a war with Iran - whatever he wanted to do - was really none of our business. But since we did invade the country, after S.H. was captured, then it was time to leave. If it was "Mission accomplished", then what the hell are we still doing there?

I suppose the next question would depend on how one defines "winnable". Militarily, there can be no "winning", except, perhaps, by scorched-earth strategies and tactics. And there are any number of parallels between the debacle in Iraq and our defeat in Viet Nam. In Viet Nam we were fighting an enemy that knew exactly where we were, while we couldn't find them. In Viet Nam, the battlefield was the jungle; in Iraq it's an urban jungle. In Viet Nam, especially near the end of the war, the politician's began interfering with the military. In Iraq, the politicians have had the military hog-tied from the start. How many people are aware that, before the Pentagon is allowed to order any military operations, they first have to be approved by a panel of friggin' lawyers?!!!

Viet Nam saw our troops deployed to fire bases, which were basically defensive positions from which platoons of men could be sent into the field to be chewed up by the guerrillas. And the same type of defensive posture has been adopted in Iraq. The guerrillas in Iraq are unseen and unseeable. And if the troops do manage to corner some, they're not allowed to fire!!

One thing that would help immensely, and it isn't going to happen, would be for the President to tell the politicians to go back to screwing their constituents, the lawyers to go back to chasing ambulances, 'cause they're all done filling 'em, and let the military get on with doing it's job, free of interference.

We can stay in Irag for another, 10, 20, 50 years, and the situation won't change. The only change will be that the American sheeple will become used to money and lives being dumped into a hole in the sand, and will complacently return to cropping their politically-fertilized fields.

Please note this is a copy of what I posted on BC, this is specificly for those who believe there were no WMD's in Iraq, and that we are there for oil.

Facts:
1. Saddam was tried and was found guilty henceforth killed for his crimes involving the murder of thousands of kurds
2..The primary weapon for his attacks against the kurds included the use of mustard gas namely by method of artillaryshells full of it
3. a WMD is classified as "a weapon that kills or injures civilian as well as military personnel (nuclear and chemical and biological weapons)"
4. mustard gas: "an irritant oily liquid C4H8Cl2S used especially as a chemical weapon that causes blistering, attacks the eyes and lungs, and is a systemic poison called also dichlorethyl sulfide, sulfur mustard. An oily, volatile liquid, (ClCH2CH2)2S, that is corrosive to the skin and mucous membranes and causes severe, sometimes fatal respiratory damage. It was introduced in World War I as a chemical warfare agent." Mustard gas is also classified as a Cytotoxic agent.
5. Mustard gas because of its nature (hitting both non-combatants and military personelle, as well as being a chemical agent) is classified as a WMD
6. Proof of Mustard gas (a WMD) existing in Iraq
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/02/12/...rq.inspections/
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04....irq.chemicals/
http://newsbusters.org/node/14313/print (A whole list of links pertaining to this topic)
All the above prove how biased American media is, it also proves how much the Democratic party wants Iraq to turn into vietnam.

Either way we must take full responsibility for removing the last regieme and as thus start the new gov't off on a good foot without leaving them out to dry.

My biggest question is why don't we here more about the good things going on in Iraq, such as the fact that regular citizens are aiding local and U.S. forces to capture known terrorists and insurgents? But I know the answer: If the news reported the good things about the world everyday (warm, sunny, well fed, environment doing fine) noone would want/ need to watch the news. However if the News reports only body counts and terrorist upsurges its always something new, therefore the T.V. station gets more viewers bringing in more revenue.

In truth our media is the terrorists propaganda, they are using the media everyday to wear our spirits down. Another car bombing, another Civilian killed wears us down, bringing more people to the conclusion we aren't doing anything in Iraq except send our soldiers to die needlessly.

To have our politicians second guess our troops and say we are bad, we are losing horribly; is to lower morale and to aid the enemy which is treasonous in my book. Please remember my American friends that in order to take military action in Iraq most of congress voted to go based on the reports we have at this time, for these politicians to come out and say "I never supported the war" is to blatantly lie in order to gain votes.

Also understand that undoing many years of tyranny into a favorable supportable democracy that supports it's people takes several generations to take hold, not only that but we are a primarily christian country that is trying to form a democratic gov't for an Islamic country, there are lots of issues that need to be reflected in the gov't including womens rights that will possibly conflict with Fundamental Islamic beliefs. In short the world expected us to go in, find WMD's charge saddam, then set up a
new democratic gov't in only a couple years time, thats a tall order.

/End Rant

Very well said ! Ussr1943. Whether we should have "gone there" is mostly academic at this point. My thoughts on the matter are, Finnish The Job, as for the questions of WMD's , they were there in the form of chemical warheads as blister agents (Mustard gas) and as nerve agents (VX/Sarin). Small, easily portable, and DEADLY.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3722255.stm
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/000915.html
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articl...17/170427.shtml
Tomorrow night on the History Channel is a re-broadcast program called Band of Bloggers from what little I saw of it the first time it's about U.S. Soldiers Blogging in Iraq and was pretty good.

This region with it's different factions have been at war with each other for centuries, do you really think that we have any chance of establishing a democracy in a short few years? These people are just short of being involved in a full out civil war.
The only thing that Bush has accomplished is to kill SH along with more of or soldiers than I care to think of at a cost of billions of dollars, I don't see anything that is worth that price tag.

The Iraq Stalemate is as unwinnable as Veit NAM. The leaders of the free world are not in the U.S. But the bullies and wannabe dictators are. Our Present administration has made no secret of the fact that if you are not with us you are against us. Therefor it is do as I say, not as I do, Mentality. Leading by edict is somthing that most pesidents except for two of them has wanted to do since DDE.

It would seem that the world is catching on. Recent elections in Poland, Spain and now Australia have brought down Governments that were supportive of Bush and his war. The new Australian Prime Minister, elected today, stated in his victory speech that he will immideately sign the Keoto Treaty and bring the combat soldiers that are still there home from Iraq. So another one bites the dust and we can only hope that America will soon follow but no later than Jan 21 2009.

Well Mr. Australian,

I agree with some of the other writers it doesn't matter that I have been against this war from the start! We are there now! Lets look at the fall out of our actions (which includes Australia, a member of the coalition of the willing)

Because of all the depleted uranium we dumped during the campaign of 'Shock & Awe', Iraq will not be inhabitable, the water,earth, and air are toxic.

It's costing us a way of life that the world has always admired "The American Dream". Our dollar almost has the same value as a mexican peso.

Our country has become so divided because our politicians give us false choices and pit us against each other. We have a president who says that the best way the average american can help with the war effort is to go to the mall.

I think that or I hope that at the least the powers that be will get our brave children soldiers out of harms way before they decide to bomb Iran. Since this whole exercise is about controlling resources in that part of the world I believe we are only at the beginning, soon sides will be openly taken and Mr. George W. will see who is against him and who's with him. I read the other post before writing this note to you. I am a American and Mr. Bush is my president Yeah I am sad about it but the truth is we are one country one nation and if it happens to Mr. Bush America then that means me too!
Jo4Peace

Well Mr American,
The general consensus of the Australian people is that we shouldn't even be in Iracq,once Saddam was Captured.We are staunch Allies to America,and if we were being invaded,or you for that matter,we wouldn't think twice of helping in any way we could.However this is not the case, with this War,if you wish to call it that.We Voted out MR Howard,because he had lost touch with the will of The people, who voted him in.Wasn't only the Iracq issue,but other issues as well,which led to his demise.You should vote Bush out if you dont agree with his decisions.You should march in your thousands and protest if you dont agree with the government you elected.To lose roughly 4000 young Soldiers,as you have is terrible.That's someones Son or Father,or whatever.We feel here, it cant be won, when now it's amongst Ethnic Factions,and we should get the hell out of there.
Iran,or Turkey, has Troops massed on the Iracq border,and I fear America will be dragged into an escalating War,larger than seen in recent times.
What annoys me also is,when I read how your and our Returned Service Troops,are treated so discustingly when they return home.They are absolutely forgotten,when they should be rewarded for Risking their lives for each one of us.They are all heroes in my opinion.
For George Bush to say 'If you are not with us,then you are against us',is absolute crap.These are the Rantings of a Warmonger.IMO.

Quote.
""There is a real concern that, regardless of who wins the [U.S.] elections [in November], the United States is not up to fixing Iraq," Baran noted, adding there is also "fear that the U.S. is going to get involved militarily in Syria and Iran" in ways that could further destabilize the region".
End Quote.
Source. http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=3200

Well Mr Austrian I would be Ms America,

I think the American people have already been dragged into a war that extends from Saudi Arabia thru to Pakistan and probably includes India. Our President and his people namely Condi Rice have said that this is an opportunity to reshape the middle east

And if you listen to the republican candidates except for Ron Paul they all sound like a bunch of Crusaders on a mission to 'Democratize the World', and only intend to cut their teeth on the middle east.

And if you listen to the democrats you got Hillary, Obama, Biden, Dodd talking in Clinton speak it sounds like they're saying they're going to end the war but if you listen closely they are talking about relocating combat troops but keeping a presence in Iraq (on the surface it sounds reasonable)but its not ending the war.

I read an article regarding the Australian elections. I was impressed by Mr. Rudd and the people he is bringing to power with him some community activist and a singer. But your new minister also said that he would be removing combat troops but support troops will remain. So is Australia really leaving Iraq?

Mr Rudd,our new Prime Minister elected only hours ago,seems like he has the right intentions.I quite like his Intentions to listen to the people and guide us into a new direction.Only time will tell,and should be given the chance to make Australia a great place to live and work in.
One of his objectives is to meet President Bush,for discussions.That is a positive move in my opinion.
I hope you get a leader which all the Western World has respect for.Mr Bush has not been a great leader,in my opinion.
We have to have a positive outlook for the future,and I can only hope Mr Rudd can deliver the goods.
From what I have read on other Boards as well,is that Ron Paul seems to be a good contender and the average American like him. Lets hope whoever gets elected in your Elections,they make the tough and right decisions to get America back on the rails,before all hope is lost. America was once the most respected Country in the Western World,and will be once again if you can get some Positive Leadership.
This Video of Mr Rudd seems he is detemined to do what's best for this country.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story...386-601,00.html

As much as I deplore this unnecessary war in Iraq we are there. We have disrupted the way of life of these people and if we pull out without reestablishing stability then this situation could spin out of control and become a civil war. Like it or not we are stuck there for a while, even the democrats are realizing this even if they don't say this loudly. Thank you President Bush, your legacy will live on long after you are finally out of office.

In my view, if the war is untenable or unwinnable, then we must swallow our pride and leave. I know that may be oversimplyfying it, but that is that's what left after all the layers are peeled off. Those who believe that the war can be salvaged to some face saving end are in denial and delusional for those who think it can be won.

Reagan left Lebanon after the attack on the marine barracks in the early 80s. He was smart enough to know that American presence centrally located in the hotbed of religious fanaticism was a lose-lose proposition.

I'm usually left on most debates and the neo-conservatism movement is any many ways fanatical in preserving their ideals. What happened to all the Reaganites? They were much more pleasant in issue discussions.

bush is absoloutely right to stay. pulling out now would only unleash the rest of the middle eastern countries on iraqs weak government. make no mistake, other middle eastern nations would gladly take over iraq if we werent there to stop them and trust me they would not discriminate in their killing.
over the last several weeks the situation has actually improved in iraq. general patreus says the surge is working and indeed the new york times has said the same. with double digit decreases in ied explosions, attacks on troops, and suicide bombings why quit now. i do have some concern about the wars budget though and i dont know how long we can sustain it. i think we need to win and soon.

I don’t support crime and or criminals; the war in Iraq is a crime committed by the USA government and every Official in WDC is a criminal.

Allan

I have reason to believe that the war in Iraq wasn't the best choice, but it wasn't the worst either. Once we start something we can't back out. We are America we are the number 1 world power not including the Chinese and the Russians. We can liberate Iraq and we will.

We have entered this war and we shouldn't back out. If there is a forest fire will you just control half of the fire?? No you douse the whole thing so you stop it from causing destruction. The Iraqis have different beliefs and so do we. We must explain to them that we don't want to invade their country but protect it.

To get the correct anwser you need to ask the correct question. The correct question is does the United States deserve to win the war in Iraq? The war in Iraq is a disgrace, and an abomination in the eyes of God. It is unjust because it was not in self defense, it was not a last resort, and it had no reasonable chance of success. It is immoral because it was based upon nothing but lies. No massive arsenal of WMD, no connection between Bin Laden and Hussien, and no reconstituted Iraqi nuclear weapons program. Finally , it is illegal because it was not declared by Congress as required by the Constitution. In justice, the very least that should happen to the United States Government is that it should lose this war.

kudos to you ms. America your the one in this thread that has shown any knowledge of RECENT events in iraq and CURRENT positions of our leaders. good to see someones actually paying attention and not just repeating something they heard 6 months ago

good to see you have such a rational opinion!

really? did god tell you this?

One question -

if the US "looses" the Iraq War, who else looses?

One could also argue that the Iraq War has been over for a long time, and the US led coaliton won it.

What we have now some UN supporters would call a "police" action against various fanatical and terrorist organizatons both from within and without Iraq.

Recently, the US media has been reluctant to show that the troop surge and efforts in Iraq are being successful. In my opinion, the Iraqi people are the ones who are on the verge of winning, and that would be the best possible outcome. The more they win, the quicker our troops will come home.

I'm for that.

Having served in Iraq during the opening stages of Operation Iraqi Freedom my opinion is fairly biased. That being said, I do believe that the war in Iraq was a necessary evil. Islamofacism in all its various forms must be confronted and destroyed. On 9/11 we experienced the effects of ignoring terrorism and the ideology behind it. There were 23 seperate reasons for America to attack and destroy the Hussien Regime. Congress read all of them and in turn voted to approve military action in Iraq.

Were mistakes made, yes aboslutely. Did the Admin and the Pentagon expect the Al Qaeda fueled insurgency, probably not. But that is the situation we now find ourselves in. We can not allow the Islamists to force us out, we can not bow to their tactics, and we can not leave the good Iraqi people to suffer under the extremists terror and intolerance.

Things are getting better in Iraq everyday. We are making headway, slowly but surely. Last weekend I attended a party for a family friend who volunteered to go to Iraq from retirement. He spoke very highly of Gen Petreas and his stragtegy for success. He said that things are going unbelievably well. Violence is down, civilian deaths are down and most importantly our troops deaths are down. We have to steel our resolve and allow our fine young men and women to complete the mission at hand.

Semper Fi

If any war necessary Congress should “Declare War” as the Law, Constitution, calls for.

The Constitution:

Section 8

Clause 1. The Congress shall have Power To …


Clause 11. To declare War,

And, Congress cannot delegate its constitutionally delegated powers to anyone else or any other entity.

Allan

Relluctanly, it appears, even the media is reporting much of this success although it is not highlighted as much as anything negative.

Leading Democrats in congress want to hamper this progress by not funding the troops. Many of them are the same ones who voted to send them there in the first place.

Yet we keep voting these people back in?

Good Day Gunner,

One question. Do you believe that this necessary evil should be fought in arm conflict even if the final result is the lost of the american republic? I know it doesnt seem much but thank you for your service, no one on this planet should doubt that America has the greatest military in this world, and that the volunteer children soldiers are valiant and very courageous. But I suggest that you would find if polled that most of reservist that signed up to be week end warriors during peace time did so, so that they could get an education, not be in a war. Which just thinking about it makes my heart swell with pride, because of the valor they have shown fighting in a war they thought to be just, and makes me so sad that they had to follow leaders, that if you believe gunner that they did not anticipate the insurgency and that Al-Queda would come to Iraq to fight just as now when you tout that the violence is down in Iraq they just left and went to Afghanistan to continue fighting us there.
With All Due Respect!
Jo4Peace

The American Republic cannot be lost or destroyed by any foreign conflict or country. Our demise will come from within, from people who call themselves patriots. People like: Jack Murtha.

Children Soldiers? I am sorry Sir, but there are NO children in the US Armed Forces. The US Armed Forces' ranks are filled with the finest men and women that our country has to offer. Calling them children is both niave and ridiculous. But I do agree, they are very courageous and valiant.

Weekend Warriors? Well, if they joined for College money and College money alone, they most certainly were very niave. Within the contract they signed, they agreed to defend the Constitution of the United States and follow all lawful orders issued by proper authority.

Joe, God Bless you. I don't know where you get your information from or who is telling you how the world is; but I certainly envy your position. Ignorance is bliss, huh Jo? Keep living the simple life.

Semper Fidelis,

Gunner

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There will be no posts meant to offend or hurt any other member, in a manner which is offensive or inflammatory. This includes flaming or instigating arguments.

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Good Day Semper,

I responded to your initial note from the perspective of a mother. I keep up with what's going on with our children soildiers because when I seen them on the screen they look like young people between the ages of 23 to 30 years old, so respectfully sir they look like the american children. My reference to them being interested also in the aspect of 'weekend warriors', was a term I remember from recruitment ads from the military the adventure and the offer of an education. I don't think any of our soildiers are naive they understood that in an event of conflict they were being trained to respond to such threats. My pride comes from the knowledge that when called they went, they understood the call of duty to one's nation to defend against foriegn and domestic foes.
I think patriotism means that one's allegiance is too one's nation and that no one group be allowed to dictate the conditions in which we participate in this republic. I believe the uniqueness of our nation is the fact that we are a Republic whose constitution is designed that the people be converned democratically. It avoids the majority the ability to override the minority and prevents anyone's right to create within our goverenance an oligarchy.
When I spoke before about any one group in this instance those groups are political parties, patriotism means one nation under God for the people of the United States of America, which means by God's very nature covers our citizens rather they are athetist or believe in God and partipate in their religion freely under our constitution. I submit that it is for this ideal that our 'Future' meaning our 'Children Soildiers' stood up to fight for.

So, Gunner thank you for responding to my note and I look forward to reading your views here at Thoughtvent.
With all Due Respect
Jo4Peace

To Gunner - Thank you for your service. As a former Marine, (served after Beirut) you know what you are getting into when you sign the contract. The military is a serious business and every person who enlists KNOWS there is always a possibility of seeing action. To all people who have never served, action is not always a declared war. Sometimes operations are performed to protect our country and the civies are never even aware that something happened.

Semper-fi

No one wants a war - sometimes there is no choice.

Let's see how everyone feels when more American lives are lost on American Soil. Or not to exclude all our friends abroad, insert your country's name where I put the word American.

Wondering if you read and remember the contract you signed. The contract of old required the signer to take an oath. Did you take and oath and remember what it said?

Allan

Just catching up in the Politics forum and trying to get used to people actually talking back and forth in a reasonable fashion, as opposed to a couple of other forums I post in. But a couple of sentences in this post caught my eye, so I guess it's as good a place as any to dip my feet in for the first time. I'm responding specifically to the part I have bolded.

Of all places to begin fighting "Islamofascism", Iraq wasn't it. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Iraq, under the regime of Saddam (horrible as it was), kept the religious fanatics marginalized in Iraq.

The Administration was wrong to invade Iraq when it did, and use 9/11 to scare us into thinking it was necessary. Our war in Iraq has allowed the Islamic extremists to grow in a place where they once had very little influence, and now they are spreading that influence even more throughout the region.

For a fact the U.S. government's war, for Israel, in Iraq is a crime; it is a crime against mankind, the world, and every American.

It shames me that any American would applaud such a criminal action. Matter of fact no “American” would applaud it.

Allan

One of the "whereas" terms of the resolution to invade Iraq approved by Congress did in fact outline Al Qeada's presence in Iraq.

Which was disproved, after the fact. Saddam had no use for Bin Laden or any religious zealots. That al Qaeda might have, more or less, passed through Iraq on a few occasions, meant nothing except for those who wanted war with Iraq.

Edit: Actually a lot of people tried to get the word out before the invasion that al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq before we invaded. They were silenced, one way or another.

mommabear -

I believe it was one of the reports (headed by David Kay?) that came out after Saddam was disposed regarding Iraq's WMD situation which pointed out that his regime really didn't have as great amount of control over his country that we thought, and the black market was flourishing. Any organization - terrorist or otherwise - could probably obtain any weapons they wanted.

So, even though Saddam didn't see eye-to-eye with bin Laden, the Al Qaeda folks could still obtain weapons in Iraq. It would be impossible to prove it either way at this point, but it is a reasonable assumption.

Hindsight is 20 - 20, as they say. In my opinion, if we knew then what we learned afterwards neither the Bush Administration nor the U. S. Congress would have pursued the course of action that we did. We would have kept the UN sanctions up while many Iraqis died of starvation and lack of medical care due to Saddam's lack of concern for his people while much of the liberal leaning media continued to blame the US for the deaths.

Yes, Bush is wrong... Not just about the Iraq war, but just about everything he has done...!!!
In an effort to show the rest of the world that the U.S. does not subscribe to tyrany, he (as well as Cheney) should be tried in the international community for war crimes...!!!

Well, except that they actually haven't committed any crimes, that's one plan.

The problem though is if we start convicting people of crimes even when they didn't commit any, how much better will we be than folks like Saddam Hussein were?

Just wonderin'.

More accurately; An Oil Hungry Warmonger That has hurt our country (USA) more than all the combined efforts of all terrorist. No kidding, he's a real turd...

IMHO you are wrong about the Bush Administration and no war in hindsight. They knew full well what they were doing. They knew there were no WMD's. Saddam was cooperating with the inspectors. The last UN report mentioned a couple of non-critical areas in which there were a few bureaucratic administrative problems coordinating the inspections, but they anticipated those problems would be worked out satisfactorily. But Bush wouldn't wait so he pulled them out, remember?

Congress was wrong too. They were handed a bill of goods with all the contradictory information to the "intelligence" deliberately placed in foot notes...nobody reads the footnotes. They should have, but they didn't. But then you're supposed to trust your President. The problem was that this President had decided to go to war with Iraq even before he was President.

How many Iraqis have died in this war? How many Iraqis are dying now from disease and lack of food, water, shelter, etc because of the civil war going on now? Or maybe we should ask how many Iraqis would be alive and well today if we had given the UN just a little more time?

USA Congress committed a crime by dishonoring the Oath of Office by not declaring war on Iraq before sending troops there.

Allan

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articl...17/170427.shtml
I suspect the main reason it hasn't been used against us yet is the fact that unless you know exactly what you're doing and have exactly the right equipment it will kill you before it does your intended target, Having been through some NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) Training I can tell you it's not as easy as you think to use and a lot harder to defend against. Iraq has been well documented in its use of Chemical warfare (he Didn't get the name " Chemical Ali " for no reason)

LOL... Surely you jest... All kidding aside, it is fairly pompus of us to think we are the key to solving thier problems... They ALL resent us being there, really, we even resent us being there... The only ones they like killing more than each other, is outsiders, particuly Americans..!! Unless we start to subscribe to ethnic cleansing (namely, the Nation of Islam) we will be caught up in a war that is (quite frankly) none of our business.. There will always be religous extremist. We have our own religous extremist dictating policy right here in the us.. Believing in the idea that you can do anything you want, to other human beings, no matter how brutal, and still go to heaven, as long as you except "The Lord Jesus Christ" as your savior, isn't really a big stretch from believeing you get 17 virgins in the afterlife for killing the infedel... Let's face it, Theology is what prevents us from being effective in the East.. I don't see that changing over the next few hundred years.., If we all last that long...!! We just need to get the hell out NOW..!!

That statement is incorrect.

Please provide some authoritative links that show that ALL of "they" resent us being there.

Even our liberal MSM doesn't claim that All of the people in Iraq resent us being there.

I believe we should bring the soldiers home. It's devastating enough to the families to see their own dying without a sneak peak at any kind of victory. It's obviously not gonna be soon. This is the tech era...how threatened do we REALLY feel by these nations, if anything we are boosting their morale even more to go kick our butts. Soldiers with no 'institutionalized' training are actually giving us quite a fight. The thing is...nobody knows why. The reason has been completely evaded by everyone from top to bottom. This is obviously some kind of play by the powers that be for something that eludes us. I would hate for the truth to come out in one of those heavy history books a century from now. I hope that we can pause this little game in time to assess, control, and repair. Diplomacy is definitely out of the question to some extent..too much damage has been inflicted by all parties. Everyone's gonna have to give a lot a take little, in order for the world to be semi-peaceful again. But, if everyone wants to take and not give or offer...things are bound to get worse...

Your right.., I should have been more specific. Let me rephrase that; Every country in the region resents us being there (including Kuwait). Even the overwhelming majority of Iraqis resent what we have done to thier country.
In comparison; Find a family in the desert, kill the parents, leave the children to fend for themselves. Come back a couple days later with food and water. Will the chidren except the food and water (just so they can live)..? My guess is, probably. But over time, will they embrace you as being "The Good Guys"....
We have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent HUMAN BEINGS in Iraq alone (i.e. Mothers, Fathers, Daughters, and Sons).. Excepting our help right now is one thing, but, to even suggest they want us there, is putting one hell of a spin on the situation. Yes, they are accepting of our support RIGHT NOW... But inevitably, their true sentiment will make its way to the surface.. Undoubtably, this blunder will come back to haunt us. The effort we're putting in to rebuilding the country (we destroyed) will mean nothing to them.. We can kill them all, or get the hell out..! As somewhat of a Humanitarian, I opt for the latter.......

Besides, there are many ways we can support the restabilization of Iraq without occupying the country and putting American Soldiers at risk. Hmmm.., Sounds like an excellent topic for discussion.

By the way, our liberal MSM are nothing more than armchair quarterbacks., They need to get in the game, or shut their useless pie holes...!! Oops, did that sound angry, I kid the liberals.., really, I have nothing but love for the whole bunch... LOL...

LOL.. Nobody knows why? Your kidding, right? Ever watch the Beverly Hillbillies? Been to Texas? What about Halliburton, ever heard of them? Red Adair? Exonn, Mobil?..... Hmmm.... How about petroleum, does that ring a bell?.....

How do we bring the troops home?
How do we end the war?
Do we change the focus to one of a police action or what?
How do we wrest our Nation from the military complex? We spend almost a 1/2 trillion dollars a year to support our military in aproximately 160 countries.
Do we no longer want the role of Leader of The Free World the world's policemen? We police what democracies are acceptable, we police what relationships are appropriate, we police who can do business with whom, we basically decide who is good and who is evil.
With all due respect i'm listening
Jo4Peace