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Should We Force Democracy on Iraq, Is it really important to establish Democracy in the East |
 Dec 6 2007, 07:14 PM
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Remember the Middle East during the Reagan administration?
Did we really consider them a threat then? What has changed since then? Remember when Iraq and Iran were Allies? Is it cheaper to buy oil, or steal it? |
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Dec 6 2007, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE (Thaddox @ Dec 6 2007, 07:14 PM)  Remember the Middle East during the Reagan administration? Did we really consider them a threat then? What has changed since then? Remember when Iraq and Iran were Allies? Is it cheaper to buy oil, or steal it? Yes |
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Dec 6 2007, 08:35 PM
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I don't think we should. It is like trying to give a monkey caviar, or teach a squirrel to speak French. It simply can't be done. The Iraqis are a people who have been under a dictatorship for years and are only kept in line with fear. That is why they need a dictator. Now that there is no fist upon the Iraqis, they are acting like animals.
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Dec 6 2007, 09:32 PM
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QUOTE (zikla215 @ Dec 6 2007, 08:35 PM) I don't think we should. It is like trying to give a monkey caviar, or teach a squirrel to speak French. It simply can't be done. The Iraqis are a people who have been under a dictatorship for years and are only kept in line with fear. That is why they need a dictator. Now that there is no fist upon the Iraqis, they are acting like animals. Well put, I couldn't agree more. I think democracy, would be in conflict with their religous beleifs as well... Not to mention, if they were to adopt a democracy, they would be a sitting target for all the surrounding "Bitches of Allah" (with-in striking distance). 
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Dec 7 2007, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE (Thaddox @ Dec 6 2007, 06:57 PM) Yes Remember the Middle East during the Reagan administration? Did we really consider them a threat then? What has changed since then? Remember when Iraq and Iran were Allies? Is it cheaper to buy oil, or steal it? Thad, 1. What I remember about the middle east during the Reagan Administration, is the end to the hostage situation in Iran at the beginning of his first term. And us leaving Libya, and the president dropping bombs on Qdafe's palace in retaliation. 2. Yes, we considered some middle eastern countries a threat even in the late 70's. 3. What has changed is how we view the world and our place in it 4. No I have no memory of Iraq and Iran being allies. I remember the IraQ and Iran War, we backed Iraq and Russia backed Iran. I remember that doing the first Gulf War that Sadam sent his fighter jets to Iran when it was clear that we were going to attack or was that this time that he sent the planes to Iran? 5. I will let stand I respectfully add my 2 cents jo4Peace |
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Dec 7 2007, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE (Jo4Peace @ Dec 7 2007, 06:33 PM) 3. What has changed is how we view the world and our place in it Also, don't forget, many of the countries of the world have changed a lot themselves. -------------------- I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!  |
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Dec 7 2007, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE (Jo4Peace @ Dec 7 2007, 06:33 PM) Remember the Middle East during the Reagan administration? Did we really consider them a threat then? What has changed since then? Remember when Iraq and Iran were Allies? Is it cheaper to buy oil, or steal it? Thad, 1. What I remember about the middle east during the Reagan Administration, is the end to the hostage situation in Iran at the beginning of his first term. And us leaving Libya, and the president dropping bombs on Qdafe's palace in retaliation. 2. Yes, we considered some middle eastern countries a threat even in the late 70's. 3. What has changed is how we view the world and our place in it 4. No I have no memory of Iraq and Iran being allies. I remember the IraQ and Iran War, we backed Iraq and Russia backed Iran. I remember that doing the first Gulf War that Sadam sent his fighter jets to Iran when it was clear that we were going to attack or was that this time that he sent the planes to Iran? 5. I will let stand I respectfully add my 2 cents jo4Peace Ok, perhaps not allies, but business associates...!!! Anyway, just between me & you, I'm supprised my "Bitches of Allah" remark wasn't censored.. 
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Dec 7 2007, 06:47 PM
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QUOTE Ok, perhaps not allies, but business associates...!!! Anyway, just between me & you, I'm supprised my "Bitches of Allah" remark wasn't censored.. If you thought it would be censored why type it? This post has been edited by mz30: Dec 7 2007, 06:47 PM -------------------- god my head hurts
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Dec 7 2007, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE (Thaddox @ Dec 6 2007, 09:32 PM) I think democracy, would be in conflict with their religous beleifs as well... Actually, their religious beliefs are in conflict with their religioius beliefs, as demonstrated almost daily by the problems between the various Moslem Sects in the Middle-East with each other. -------------------- I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant! |
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Dec 7 2007, 06:55 PM
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QUOTE (mz30 @ Dec 7 2007, 05:47 PM) If you thought it would be censored why type it? Good Day Mz, I would like to know Thad's reason why too! And not defending it because, I could have done without the Dogs of Allah comment, but it does point up the difficulty in censorship, it is impossible for bias not to creep in. Did it not get a warning because in the environment in which we operate this term is acceptable? Respectfully Jo4Peace |
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Dec 7 2007, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE (mz30 @ Dec 7 2007, 06:47 PM) If you thought it would be censored why type it? I didn't think that when I originally typed it... It wasn't until the "Feirinheight 451" episode when I thought; Oh Sh*#...!!! |
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Dec 7 2007, 06:58 PM
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Hi jo i did not say it would not get censored ,anything that breaks forum rule's will be removed and come to think of it that remark is breaking forum rule's.
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Dec 7 2007, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE (mz30 @ Dec 7 2007, 06:58 PM) Hi jo i did not say it would not get censored ,anything that breaks forum rule's will be removed and come to think of it that remark is breaking forum rule's. Which remark, the first one? the second one? or, Jo's remark? 
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Dec 8 2007, 10:08 AM
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Back to the original topic - Force - no, afford the oportunity - yes
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Dec 9 2007, 08:23 PM
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QUOTE (Vicki @ Dec 8 2007, 10:08 AM) Back to the original topic - Force - no, afford the oportunity - yes So which one is happening in Iraq.? Forcing, or affording the oppertunity, or affording the oppertunity we forced..?
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