I was trying to answer mz30 on his question why people to worship jesus lose family members and He does not save them. I presume he is wondering why Jesus just keeps quiet about it and so I trying t say, if you are His child (Jesus) and compromise on His Word, it is an open door for the enemy to work on your lives,

If he had worded his question as you did (general), I would not have contributed a specific reason as to MZ30. Briefly, to your question, Chrisians do believe all sickness comes from Satan, so an unbeliever can lose a child even with all the good works (charity, godliness) that he practices simply because he hasn't any covering from God.

Okay, I hope Matt is not going to bombard me. Generally, when I write, I am writing from a Christian belief and viewpoint. It is okay , isn't it?

Yes, of course it's okay to write from a Christian belief and viewpoint - but it does help when we are discussing things such as thing to perhaps add 'in my opinion' - gentle smile.

Although I realize it's not intended as such, try to imagine how reading this (your) viewpoint must make someone who has had a loved one die, especially a small child. Sigh.

Thanks, I will be sure to put in "In my opinion" in future. Ref about children dying, we have this in our church too but the 2 cases I was involved in, it was later revealed the father had "backslidden" as a Christian in a bad bad way (in this, some Christians believe when all else don't work, sometimes God allows this to bring his children back to Him), and aother was a medium (like a witch doctor) who later backslidden a little and immediately all the demons he kept came over his 6year old.
Just to share...

BTW, sorry if I offended anyone. I don't write in forums, I just wanted to share with matt on the gospel and ended up here and there and everywhere

I missed reading this abve part earlier....Because I am a Christian, I take the Bible at its Word, so I do believe what it says. Again, I speak spiritually, so biblically it's either jesus or the other. In my opinion, that's why Christians are forcing jesus into non-believers because we believe no matter how good a person, one just has to accept jesus to gain eternal life. Just my belief. I'm not jugding anyone, pls believe me.

From all that I have heard about "God" from Believers, allowing people to be born with incurable, fatal diseases, that they have to suffer through years of existence with before it finally kills them, just doesn't match of with the "loving, kind, just, merciful" qualities ascribed to "God". It's been my experience that if it looks and smells like BS, then it's a good bet that it is BS. And I grew up on a farm, so I know BS.

Hmm, God is loving merciful etc, but if you had read the whole bible, there is the other side of God, a "Holy" God. I admit a lot of Christians compromise (look at the US), if I were an unbeliever there, I'd probably not want to be a Christian but a wise elder told me 6 years ago, "If you look at other Christians, you might fall out, so keep your eyes on jesus always)" I've even heard of an evangelist that said "When you see a Christian, RUN!!!". I've had my fair share too, so keeping on Jesus will hold us on to the faith. I presume you've encountered too many Christians to feel the way you do??...

Anyway, back to a loving mercifull all wonderful God, refer to revelations, Jesus comes as a Judge back to this world, not lovey dovey. Salvation and grace are free but not cheap.

Hi Michelle,I respect your opinions and beliefs,however my opinion of your posts, is that each one is getting more weird.
To make these outlandish statements re demons came over a 6 year old is in my opinion utter tripe,if you can't provide any proof. I think your posts are offending to any rational thinking human being.
I lost a Sister at 1 year old and my Parents were clean living Christians,so to say they sinned, and it's their punishment is beyond belief. My Sister is still in her grave and her soul has gone nowhere,unless you can provide common sense proof to the contrary.

EDIT. Spelling of contrary.

This post has been edited by DSTM: Oct 23 2007, 02:41 AM

Hi DSTM,

I am sorry to hear the loss of your sister. Because the title of the thread is such, I just presume we can speak our mind and share opinions, I certainly wasn't targeting at anyone, just sharing whatever I've experienced. I come from Asia, what I share is not weird or far fetched, I could never proof it in black and white, the only way I can proof their existence and they can live in people is to actually bring you into a church that cast out demons. If your parents were Christians, wouldn't have they believed in the spirit world of angels and demons? (just curious, no offence meant)

I could never say why that happened to your sis (was she one or you one?) because I was not there to pray/fast to get revelation but if she were a child, we do believe children go to be with the Lord. We do not believe her soul remains in the grave (again, this is just my opinion and belief)

I am just sharing things that are made more real here in churches that fast/pray 24 hours compared to the west, when their pastors come, there isn't a shred of annointing (so you can imaging his lack of prayer when not in the limelgiht), ....a lot of things of darkness can come out to the open when there is fervent prayer and fasting.

....however, if you think I'm too much, I will get off.

Hi again 'Michelle' Your last post is more realistic, as you have softened your approach,and saying what you believe in,which is interesting to read. Your opinions are as important as anyone elses. As long as they don't hurt anyone's feelings,then I haven't a problem with your Posts.As previously stated,by saying "In my opinion,or This is what I believe" makes all the difference,and you are not implying we are all Dummies,because other Members don't believe as you do. This is only my personal opinion,and does not reflect other Moderators Views. Hope this helps. Look forward to your posts.

Hi DSTM,

If I was hard before, I never realised it (sorry again) and I didn't realise my approach was softer this time.. infact, I was quite afraid you were going to be offended again....phew, glad you were not

Yes, if you read backward a little, Mara had suggested I put "just my opinion" , and I really intended too, maybe I forgot in a couple of sentences. I will make an effort to remember.

That aside, I love Mara's comments on this thread and others. Doesn't she write very maturely and very sensibly (unlike me. Though in my opinion , I am not writing crap but English is my 3rd language, so I can't express well). A great moderator too!! (in another thread)

Oh dear, I didn't realise you were a moderator till I posted the last post. I wasn't comparing you or Mara or moderators or anything like that. Okay, I'm going to scoot for today (perhaps my eyes are tired) before I make another blunder....sorry everyone , it's a mess

Christians I have no problem with. The "Christians" are the ones that can raise my ire. By "Christians I mean those that call themselves so, but whose actions belie their words.

I always think it is a good practice (and I do try to follow it myself most of the time), Michelle, to read over what I have typed before I hit "add reply" and consider how most people would interpret it. I have very often softened my words so as not to offend or "put down" opinions with which I disagree.
You will note that many Moderators take part in the discussions in the forums and for the most part, they do so not as Moderators but as Members like yourself. Should they do so as Moderators, then this is clearly indicated by their use of their title beneath there name or other means.
Thoughtvent encourages frank and open discussion of any and all topics, but does remind everyone to be mindful to avoid anything like a personal attack, or remarks designed to be inflammatory or hurtful.
I look forward to reading your future posts.
Zarathustra
Global Moderator

You know Zarathustra, DSTM comments on my posts getting weirder quite hit me because I never meant it to be. I made sure I mentioned that I was a Christian and becos of that, I speak from the bible because as a Christian, I believe in the Bible. After my final post, I saw another thread when Seafox went straight to the point to confirm that hell is eternity. I'm wondering how is it everyone is find with someone telling them once in hell, they have no chance of coming out (he did not have to say "in my opinion" etc) but when I say something from the bible that also clearly says demons can live in people, that is not acceptable. I have read thru my posts today and noticed I was sharing experiences here but I cannot find even one post of mine that was attacking or hurting someone. If someone had someone die and cannot accept my post, why is there no one telling Seafox "there might be non-Christians there...so you're saying we are all going to hell forever?"

Like I said, I don't write well with English being 3rd language but I'm sure if I had written what Seafox wrote (nothing personal Seafox, I just wonder why I'm being bombarding) I just know someone will say I've gone really weird. I don't think you guys are fair.

Oh dear,

We have a sister-site called BleepingComputers and in the religious threads there, I assure you that most of us (myself included) and even our SeaFox have 'crossed the line' - gentle smile.

I truly admire you doing so well with English as your third language - wonderful! And I hope I can clarify a couple things that may help a bit.

Most of the debates/arguments we have are based on various interpretations of the Bible and how it applies to both Christians and non-believers around them.

While I can't speak for the other members here, I was pleased when you amended this statement, "every individual belongs to either God or Satan in the spirit sense no in betweens", to read 'in my opinion. But even that is a bit difficult to deal with as while each is entitled to their opinion - yup, including you Michelle - gentle smile - it's a tad bad form to say so many of our members here "belong to Satan".

And again, only speaking for myself, with regard to, "their only child was born with a cleft palate ... I demanded from God day and night why he allowed the devil to do this ... they had gone through Hindu marriage ceremony and bowed down to idols" ... I do wonder how it is everyone who has a Hindu ceremony doesn't have children born with a cleft palate. Or why a 'merciful' God would not be ticked at the parents and let Satan do something nasty to them, rather than an innocent child.

And please know I am not "bombarding" you when I say that I found it a bit odd that "lustful spirit from watching Bollywood films" caused a lady to have breast cancer. Why would not all who watch Bollywood films develop cancer or some other horrible and nearly always fatal disease?

But that aside, this train of thinking seems to place all the blame for death (including babies dying) and disease and physical malformities as someone's 'fault'. While I believe that is your honest opinion, it must be very hard, for instance, for a member fighting cancer or alzheimer's, etc to know that there are people who actually believe them personally to be at fault.

I do hope this has helped a bit to clear things up, Michelle - I'm sure you have the best of intentions but sometimes even with the best of intentions we inadvertently hurt others perhaps?
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Oops, nearly forgot to provide the link to 'Interpretations of the Bible' here at our ThoughtVent. Perhaps other Christians share your understanding of Faith?
http://www.thoughtvent.com/forums/How-do-Y...Bible-t638.html

This post has been edited by Mara: Oct 24 2007, 02:19 AM