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Palin Drinks the Neocon Kool-Aid
Winston Smith
post Sep 11 2008, 08:21 PM
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, Republican Rock Star, Sarah Palin, in an interview with Charles Gibson left open the possibilitly of war with Russia over Georgia. Palin stated that she favors admitting both Ukraine and Georgia into NATO and that as members of NATO Georgia and Ukraine can expect the United States government to come to thier defense if attacked by Russia. This is pure unadulterated insanity. Georgia and the Ukraine are of no vital security interests to the people of the United States. For years both the Ukraine and Georgia were under the thumb of Russian domination and the people of the United States prospered. The same goes for the newly liberated Baltic States. The United States government should not be issuing war guarantees to countries that are as about as remote to the security interests of the people of the United States as Botswana. Palin is willing to risk the nuclear destruction of New York, Boston, San Diego, Houston, and Nashville over Tiblisi and Kiev for nothing of any concern to the American people. This position alone should disqualify Palin from holding the position of VP of the United States. The thought of this Neocon, Kool Aide gulping, war crazed fanatic with her finger on the button should be enough to fill anyone with jitters, and is another indication of the lack of judgement McCain shows not just on foriegn policy but in the people he chooses to associate with.
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post Sep 11 2008, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE (Winston Smith @ Sep 11 2008, 09:21 PM) *
, Palin stated that she favors admitting both Ukraine and Georgia into NATO and that as members of NATO Georgia and Ukraine can expect the United States government to come to thier defense if attacked by Russia.


I don't understand the problem - don't all NATO members expect the other NATO member to come to their defense?

Isn't that how it works?




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post Sep 11 2008, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE (JohnWho @ Sep 11 2008, 08:47 PM) *
I don't understand the problem - don't all NATO members expect the other NATO member to come to their defense?

Isn't that how it works?



You do not see any problem with the United States government risking war with Russia over Georgia and the Ukraine? Do you not realize the Russian government has an arsenal of nuclear weapons that can blow up every man, women and child in the United State one hundred times over? It is insane to provoke a confrontation with Russia by pulling up NATO to the borders of Russia. Georgia and the Ukraine have been in the Russian sphere of influence for years. Americans have prospered while both Georgia and the Ukraine were under the thumb of Russian domination. This policy of expanding NATO eastward to encircle Russia can in no way be considered in the interests of the American people. I see a big problem with risking New York and Boston for Tiblsi and Kiev. I see a big problem with extending war guarantees to countries have no connection to the vital national security interests of the American people. Perhaphs you could see more clearly if you would stop gulping down that Neocon Kool Aide!
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post Sep 11 2008, 09:48 PM
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Uh, nice rant, but you didn't answer my question.


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post Sep 11 2008, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE (JohnWho @ Sep 11 2008, 09:48 PM) *
Uh, nice rant, but you didn't answer my question.


My problem is that Georgia and the Ukraine are not vital to the security and prosperity of the American people, therefore, the United States government should not agree to defend or extend a war guarantee to these countries. I do not care if the people of Georgia and the Ukraine want to join NATO and want to enjoy the security guarantee of the United States government. That is not the issue. The issue to me is whether extending such a guarantee to Georgia and the Ukraine is of any benefit to the American people. I say it is of no interest to the American people whether South Ossetia remains a part of Georgia, becomes independent, or is annexed by Russia. The same applies to Abkhazi and the coming territorial dispute in the Ukraine. I do not consider any of these issues worth going to war with Russia. The bottom line is I am not willing to risk New York and Boston, or any American city, or the life one single American soldier for Tiblisi or Kiev.
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post Sep 12 2008, 07:57 AM
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You still somewhat avoid my question.


I do not believe any Vice Presidential candidate or Presidential candidate or a President or Vice President (either sitting or Ex-) should make a public statement saying that he or she would violate a signed treaty.

I would certainly not vote for anyone who says "I am not trustworthy and my word is not to be believed".

We know that all politicians lie, but I would not want one to say "I am a liar".



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QUOTE (JohnWho @ Sep 12 2008, 07:57 AM) *
You still somewhat avoid my question.


I do not believe any Vice Presidential candidate or Presidential candidate or a President or Vice President (either sitting or Ex-) should make a public statement saying that he or she would violate a signed treaty.

I would certainly not vote for anyone who says "I am not trustworthy and my word is not to be believed".

We kn ow that all politicians lie, but I would not want one to say "I am a liar".


Georgia and Ukraine are not members of NATO and the United States government has no obligation to defend them. I think that is way it should remain. I will be as clear as possible.

Palin thinks Georgia and Ukraine should be admitted to NATO and the United States government should undertake the responsibility to defend them if they are attacked. I oppose such a move. First, pulling up NATO to borders of Russia is a provocative move. There is no debating this point. What if Russia formed a military alliance with some of the anti-American regimes in South and Central America? What if Russia started building an anti Missle defense system in Cuba? Georgia and the Ukraine are in the sphere of influence of Russia and the United States government should stay out of that area just like Russia should stay out of Canada and South and Central America. It is the United States government that is aggressively expanding NATO right up to the borders of Russia, establishing an antimissle defense system in a former member of the Warsaw Pact, and attempting to cut Russia out of the profits to be had from the oil and natural gas reserves in the Capsian Sea Basin. The United States government needs to get out of Russia's face. This means they need to stay out of Russia's near abroad. They need to stop giving financial and military support to anti-Russian governments, and stop undermining governments that are friendly to Russia.

It is clear to me the United States government is trying to provoke another cold war (or even worse a hot war) with Russia. If this is not the case then give me a logical explanation to the following questions:

Why was humanitarian aide delivered to Georgia via a warship?

Why did the United States government greenlight a Georgian attack on South Ossetia?

Why is the United States government aggressively expanding NATO up to the borders of Russia?

Why is the United States government building an anti-missle defense system in Poland to defend Western Europe from Iranian missles that do not have the range to reach Western Europe?

Palin is classic Neocon whack job. Anyone who wants to start a shooting war with Russia over Georgia or South Ossetia, or to defend borders on a map that were drawn by Stalin is a nutcase. Palin does not need to be anywhere near the White House. The thought of this Neocon whack job, who thinks US troops in Iraq are on a task from god, with her finger on the button should be enough to scare the living sh-t out of anyone.
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