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'Global Warming Will Stop', New Peer-Reviewed Study Says
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post Apr 30 2008, 09:33 PM
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From the article:
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The evidence based data showing the Earth’s failure to continue warming has confounded the promoters of man-made climate fear. The American people have consistently rejected climate alarm as a Gallup Poll released on Earth Day 2008 shows the American public’s concern about man-made global warming is unchanged from 1989. Gore's $300 million dollar campaign to promote climate fear is attempting to convince American's that they face a climate "crisis" despite the new accumulating scientific evidence to the contrary.


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Uh, just a reminder -

the facts are not all in, the scientists do not agree, the debate is not over.

The IPCC/Al Gore folks are now going into damage control mode.


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post May 1 2008, 03:04 AM
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QUOTE (JohnWho @ May 1 2008, 12:33 PM) *
From the article:


Full article h e r e.

Uh, just a reminder -

the facts are not all in, the scientists do not agree, the debate is not over.

The IPCC/Al Gore folks are now going into damage control mode.


As you say, nothing has yet been firmly established, but it's gonna be an interesting "damage control" exercise........ whistling.gif perhaps we'll now see some genuine, non-(big)money motivated studies that will get serious, sensible appraisal? ohmy.gif


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post May 1 2008, 07:19 AM
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QUOTE (Quietmike @ May 1 2008, 04:04 AM) *
perhaps we'll now see some genuine, non-(big)money motivated studies that will get serious, sensible appraisal? ohmy.gif


Really, what are the chances of that?
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post May 1 2008, 09:11 AM
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QUOTE (Quietmike @ May 1 2008, 04:04 AM) *
As you say, nothing has yet been firmly established, but it's gonna be an interesting "damage control" exercise........ whistling.gif perhaps we'll now see some genuine, non-(big)money motivated studies that will get serious, sensible appraisal? ohmy.gif


Heck, I'd settle for the main stream media at least giving us a balanced view on what the current "science" is saying.

Almost everything that the MSM shows buys into the anthropogenic cause in some manner or another and somewhat supports Al Gore's concept of Carbon trading making him richer by the minute while that same money could be being spent on environmental problems that we really could be solving.



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I wonder if this guy still has a job? -

CBC's Rex Murphy on "Global Warming".


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post May 3 2008, 06:09 PM
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QUOTE (JohnWho @ May 3 2008, 03:23 PM) *
I wonder if this guy still has a job? -

CBC's Rex Murphy on "Global Warming".


Apparently not...The link is dead. hysterical.gif


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post May 3 2008, 06:13 PM
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It works for me, and others on another board.

Try "cut & paste" with this:
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http://www.cbc.ca/mrl3/23745/thenational/archive/rex-050108.wmv


Or, this l i n k.

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post May 4 2008, 09:36 AM
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The whole thing has gotten compleatly out of control. IMO, many people will die before the "powers that be" get their head out of their rears and come up with realistic solutions to the worlds "oil crisis" and "GW".

Time to wake up world and get a grip and stop the panic production, before it kills us all.


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post May 4 2008, 02:36 PM
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From the article,
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However, the effect of rising fossil fuel emissions will mean that warming will accelerate again after 2015 when natural trends in the oceans veer back towards warming, according to the computer model.

Noel Keenlyside of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences, Kiel, Germany, said: "The IPCC would predict a 0.3°C warming over the next decade. Our prediction is that there will be no warming until 2015 but it will pick up after that."

I really don't see how this is a refutation of global warming/climate change.
It certainly shows that there are differing interpretations within the scientific community as to how it will actually play out in the short-term, but that's hardly uncommon.

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QUOTE (arcman @ May 4 2008, 03:36 PM) *
From the article,
I really don't see how this is a refutation of global warming/climate change.


The IPCC report upon which the entire Global Warming alarmism is based, is very clear that as anthropogenic CO2 emissions increase, so too will the temperatures rise. This has now been shown to be a false premise. Add to it, also from that part of the article:
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The IPCC currently does not include in its models actual records of such events as the strength of the Gulf Stream and the El Nino cyclical warming event in the Pacific, which are known to have been behind the warmest year ever recorded in 1998.


and it becomes evident that the IPCC's (And Al Gore's) information is not as complete as it should have been and the predictions are not based on all the available information - just that which supports their premise. It's not then surprising that what they predicted is already not accurate?

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It certainly shows that there are differing interpretations within the scientific community as to how it will actually play out in the short-term, but that's hardly uncommon.


It also shows that there isn't "consensus" agreement on the IPCC/Al Gore concept, too. What they stated with a virtual certainty is already not correct.

So, instead of alligning with either the alarmists or the deniers, shouldn't we be all demanding our scientists be scientists and not politicians and give us a better understanding of what is really happening or may happen?

We should not be rushing for a cure that is worse than the "disease", especially if there really isn't any disease, in my opinion.


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This guy says it better than I did, and much more:

The Great Global Warming Race

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Researchers belonging to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reported in Nature (May 1) that, after adjusting their climate model to reflect actual sea surface temperatures of the last 50 years, “global surface temperature may not increase over the next decade, as natural climate variations… temporarily offset the projected anthropogenic warming.”

You got that? IPCC researchers project no global warming over the next decade because of Mother Nature.

Although the result seems stunning in that it came from IPCC scientists who have always been in the tank for manmade global warming, it’s not really surprising since the notion of manmade climate change has never lived up to its billing.

When NASA’s James Hansen sounded the alarm in Congress 20 years ago, he predicted that rising concentrations of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) would drive global temperatures higher by 0.34 degrees Celsius during the 1990s. But surface temperatures increased during that decade by only 0.11 degrees Celsius and lower atmosphere temperatures actually decreased. Global temperatures remain well below an El Nino-driven 1998 spike despite ever increasing atmospheric CO2.

Global warming hysterics purport that manmade emissions of CO2 are the primary driver of global climate and that controlling emissions will favorably affect climate. While this is obviously not so since it virtually supposes that without human activity climate change would not occur, it nevertheless remains their viewpoint.

The Nature study, however, reasserts Mother Nature in her rightful place as our climate dominatrix.


He takes it much further, however, and shows how, if you follow the money, you can see why it would be very inconvenient for some (cough, AL Gore, cough) to have the truth exposed.


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post May 5 2008, 09:49 AM
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QUOTE (JohnWho @ May 4 2008, 10:47 PM) *
This guy says it better than I did, and much more:

The Great Global Warming Race



He takes it much further, however, and shows how, if you follow the money, you can see why it would be very inconvenient for some (cough, AL Gore, cough) to have the truth exposed.
Well, the oil interests have done far more in terms of spreading disinformation than Gore/IPCC, but I digress.

Whatever lack of unified consensus there may be, I think the majority of scientists fall on the side of climate change taking place due to human influences, and even if they're incorrect, the net result of their actions in terms of cleaner and more efficient energy needs to happen somewhere down the line. Better safe than sorry IMHO.


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post May 5 2008, 10:07 AM
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QUOTE (arcman @ May 5 2008, 09:49 AM) *
Well, the oil interests have done far more in terms of spreading disinformation than Gore/IPCC, but I digress.

Whatever lack of unified consensus there may be, I think the majority of scientists fall on the side of climate change taking place due to human influences, and even if they're incorrect, the net result of their actions in terms of cleaner and more efficient energy needs to happen somewhere down the line. Better safe than sorry IMHO.


I think you are missing the point that John is making....And what the majority of people who disagree with Gore are making....and have been making.

No one is saying that we shouldn't do things to improve our environment. We just shouldn't rush to get on Al's bandwagon when the "information" he preaches is based on incorrect "scientific" data. The policies of Gore and his minions would be ruinious to many economies. Better to be safe than sorry but ruin our economy in the process? While Al gets filthy rich? That's not a good scenario, imo. Unless you are Gore, of course.

Using previous misinformation as a basis for deciding to follow Gore's policies is not a logical approach to the issue.


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QUOTE (Eric @ May 5 2008, 11:07 AM) *
I think you are missing the point that John is making....And what the majority of people who disagree with Gore are making....and have been making.

No one is saying that we shouldn't do things to improve our environment. We just shouldn't rush to get on Al's bandwagon when the "information" he preaches is based on incorrect "scientific" data. The policies of Gore and his minions would be ruinious to many economies. Better to be safe than sorry but ruin our economy in the process? While Al gets filthy rich? That's not a good scenario, imo. Unless you are Gore, of course.

Using previous misinformation as a basis for deciding to follow Gore's policies is not a logical approach to the issue.
I have to take issue with saying that moving to more cleaner, efficient, renewable energy sources is going to lead to economic ruin, especially in light of the fact that our current dependence on a multi-billion dollar oil cartel is one of the leading factors in our current economic downslope.

But then, even the oil companies are researching renewable energy in terms of modifying their drilling operations into setting up geothermal power reserves. As much as they've paid to cast doubt in global warming, even they know they won't be able to pump fossil fuel indefinitely.


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QUOTE (Eric @ May 5 2008, 10:07 AM) *
No one is saying that we shouldn't do things to improve our environment.


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