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10 things you should know about John McCain (but probably don't):


1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws.1

2. According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain "will make Cheney look like Gandhi."2

3. His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.3


4. McCain opposes a woman's right to choose. He said, "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."4


5. The Children's Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children's health care bill last year, then defended Bush's veto of the bill.5


6. He's one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a "second job" and skip their vacations.6

7. Many of McCain's fellow Republican senators say he's too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: "The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He's erratic. He's hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."7


8. McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.8

9. McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his "spiritual guide," Rod Parsley, believes America's founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a "false religion." McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church "the Antichrist" and a "false cult."9


10. He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0—yes, zero—from the League of Conservation Voters last year.10


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This is why I would never vote for McCain. For all of you that have been drilling Barack over Rev. Wright's comments, see #9. Many preachers of all faiths can be extremists. I also see #4 and knowing that the next Prez is gonna replace 2 of the Supreme court justices, I will definately not vote for him.

Well, I am certainly not a fan of McCain. I have never really liked the man. But considering the other candidates, he is by far the lesser of the other evils.

It's sad when we don't have a candidate in this election who is Presidental material.

I may fully support Barack but I can see what your saying. I'm not sure Barack is gonna be a good Prez, I'm just sure of one thing that is the opposite of Bush and that is he's extremely intelligent, he cares about other people besides himself,. and he will be able to communicate/articulate what he is trying to do. I don't, however, have only my "Obama glasses" on

I think that all any of us can do in a year like this is try to select the person who we feel is closest to our own personal ideology and go with that person. Whomever is elected, I think that during that person's administration, we are all going to have times when we are going to be sorely disappointed.

For me personally, I look for someone who is committed to reducing the size and scope of the federal government. I look for someone who is going to at the minimum put a freeze on government spending. We are spending ourselves into poverty. We need to cut our spending dramatically and relieve the tremendous burden that over taxation has placed on our economy and prosperity. I look for someone that actually will support and defend the Constitution...as it is written. Not how some would have it say. There is a huge difference. I look for someone to put power back to the states where it belongs. Local communities know more what they need than the federal government. Social Security is a good example. Someone show me where our Constitution bestows the power in the federal government to administer a program such as that.

Our Constitution has been so trampled over the years. Our framework calls for our central government to play a very limited role in our lives. How we operate as a country today is far from that ideology and I find that very disappointing. For many years now, people read into the Constitution what they want it to say, not what it actually says.

Show me a candidate who believes in a federal government that operates as it was intended to operate and I will be the first in line to vote for him/her.

I would hope that before anyone goes to the link and forwards MoveOn propaganda (it is an admitted PAC) to anyone, one should verify the sources of the information, or "facts" provided by them. I am always wary of claims about the "real truth" that no one, including mass media from all sides, wants to tell me.
Z

I agree with that, Z.

MoveOn is extremely biased - much worse even than the MSM.

This is only one thing anyone should be aware of with regard to John McCain:

He has always been, is now, and always will be a soldier period.

He can only see the world through soldier's eyes and therefore we would be wise not to put this man into the drivers seat!!!!

That's assuming that looking at the world through a soldier's eyes is a bad thing,

and assumption which I do not hold, nor do I see any reasonable reason to accept it.


I've known a lot of Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines whose viewpoint I respect.

Of all the US Presidents, there have only been 11 who have had no military service. Of course, not all were generals. This is a list of all military service of US Presidents.


Military Service of US Presidents

I don't get what you need verification of? All of those 10 points are public record, I don't think any of them are open to question due to what they are about.

When one quotes "public records" one generally provides sources for them so readers can determine if their content is correctly or fairly portrayed, especially when emotive or "loaded" words are used to characterise them.

"John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws"

Putting aside the reasons McCain opposed a national holiday three decades ago, linking this to the unsupported assertion that "he's continued to oppose KEY civil rights laws" brings up the question about which are "key" and whether he supports "minor" civil rights laws.

"The Children's Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children's health care bill last year, then defended Bush's veto of the bill"

Again a stretched linking of events. On the supposition that the CDF so rated McCain (and under what criteria and precisely when) I somehow don't think that the organization had a category for "worst senator in Congress for children" although this might have been their conclusion. Again, let us assume that he voted against a health bill; now the subtle implication without any reference that might explain WHY he so voted, is that McCain hates children.


Now, I am not defending McCain. But I am making a point that before one sends off broadsides (for any of the candidates) one should take some care that the claims made are at least documented.

Z

I'm sorry but I won't even let the site hit counter even count my computer as one who visited MoveOn, from what I understand of MoveOn they hold none of my values, too far left, and hate filled for my tastes.

Whether I like a person or not, hate filled speach, is abhorant to me. I just want the facts not the rhetoric.

I agree.

Also, one should know something about their sources. In this case, MoveOn.org is known to use questionable and highly biased reporting practices. As you've pointed out, they may distort and missrepresent "facts" in order to draw unfounded conclusions.

Of course, if what they are saying is what one wants to hear, then they become the gospel being preached to the choir.

Maybe thats true but then of course many of you that fall on the right side will listen to Fox News or Rush Limbaugh and take that for face value. Bush and Cheney are known to be questionable and have highly biased reporting practices that completely misrepresent the truth and we voted for them not once, but twice

It seems to be that having a critical attitude about political arguments or presentation of facts should transcend political partisanship, and one should apply the rules of reason, rhetoric, and logic to any political manifesto including (perhaps most importantly) those which tend to support one's own political position.
If one applies the same rules of textual criticism that historians use to understand past texts, or looks for arguments that have no warrant, hardly any political broadside passes muster.
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