IPB

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Welcome to ThoughtVent, a free community where you can talk to your peers about whatever you want. Using the site is easy and fun. Once registered, simply click on the category that fits your topic and click on the New Topic button to start talking with our other members. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free.
Click here to Register!




  Digg this topic · Save to del.icio.us · Slashdot It · Post to Technorati · Post to Furl · Submit to Reddit · Share on Facebook · Fark It · Googlize This Post · Add to ma.gnolia · Tag to Wink · Add to MyWeb · Add to Netscape
Reply to this topicStart new topic
Let's blame the right people
JohnWho
post Oct 12 2008, 12:57 PM
Post #1


Who's your Daddy?
******

Group: Moderator
Posts: 2,224
Joined: 13-August 07
From: Tampa Bay Area, Florida, USA
Member No.: 11



Supposedly the following was written by Charlie Reese, a former columnist for the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper:

"545 People"
by Charlie Reese

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget....the
President does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional
authority to vote on appropriations....the House of
Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy,
the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred Senators, 435 Congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court Justices....
545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly,
legally, morally, and individually responsible for the
domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress.

In 1913, Congress delegated its' Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a Senator, a Congressman, or a President to do one cotton-picking thing.

I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it.

No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not
their fault.

They cooperate in this common con regardless
of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human
being is an excessive amount of gall.

No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits.

The President can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of
Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes.

Who is the speaker of the House?

She is the leader of the majority party.

She and fellow House members, not the President, can approve any budget they want.

If the President vetoes it, they can pass it over
his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand
convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and
irresponsibility.

I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people.

When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people
exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it
unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they
want it in the red.

If the Marines are in IRAQ, it's because they want them in IRAQ .

If they do not receive Social Security, but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take
this power.

Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like
'the economy,' 'inflation,' or 'politics' that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses, provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!


...........................

I'm tending to agree with it.

This post has been edited by JohnWho: Oct 12 2008, 01:00 PM


--------------------

I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Quietmike
post Oct 12 2008, 11:54 PM
Post #2


Venting Addict
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 954
Joined: 21-October 07
From: Central NSW Australia
Member No.: 173



"We should vote them all out of office and clean up their mess"

100% agree, condone, support and hurrah for - the problem is of course doing it. How can we?? It's easy to say "let's vote them out" pork barrelling, financial pressures, subtle threats and not-so-subtle sticks and carrots all determine how most people will vote, not the commonsensical observations above.

JohnW, along with many of our more thoughtful venters, you are usually "spot on" with many of your observations and quotes - this is a good example - sadly, one that probably won't reach to the masses of voters who could make the difference! angry.gif


--------------------
do what you will, but harm not yourself or any other
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
JohnWho
post Oct 13 2008, 07:48 AM
Post #3


Who's your Daddy?
******

Group: Moderator
Posts: 2,224
Joined: 13-August 07
From: Tampa Bay Area, Florida, USA
Member No.: 11



Thanks for the kind words, Quietmike.

Unfortunately, there is a bit of irony in the fact that, while you agree with what Charlie Reese wrote, you are not in a position to help vote.

Although, it is possible that in Australia, you have a similar problem?


--------------------

I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Quietmike
post Oct 14 2008, 01:52 AM
Post #4


Venting Addict
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 954
Joined: 21-October 07
From: Central NSW Australia
Member No.: 173



QUOTE (JohnWho @ Oct 13 2008, 11:48 PM) *
Although, it is possible that in Australia, you have a similar problem?



Absolutely!! Different governmental structure, but most pollies are tarred with the same brush IMO. whistling.gif


--------------------
do what you will, but harm not yourself or any other
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Zarathustra
post Oct 14 2008, 08:30 AM
Post #5


Vented Out
******

Group: Administrators
Posts: 1,424
Joined: 10-August 07
From: USA
Member No.: 8



On day, Horace Walpole entered the Houses of Parliament and, looking around at all the Members sitting on the benches, remarked to his friend, "Every man here has his price."


--------------------
Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one should be silent.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
DSTM
post Oct 14 2008, 10:11 AM
Post #6


Vented Out
******

Group: Global Moderator
Posts: 1,254
Joined: 13-August 07
From: Sydney Australia
Member No.: 15



How true,'Z' I believe anyone can be bought, if the price is right. thumbup2.gif


--------------------

I Search for the Sjogren's Foundation,Who will you search for?

I once had a life.. now I have the Internet...
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
JohnWho
post Oct 14 2008, 02:46 PM
Post #7


Who's your Daddy?
******

Group: Moderator
Posts: 2,224
Joined: 13-August 07
From: Tampa Bay Area, Florida, USA
Member No.: 11



QUOTE (Zarathustra @ Oct 14 2008, 09:30 AM) *
On day, Horace Walpole entered the Houses of Parliament and, looking around at all the Members sitting on the benches, remarked to his friend, "Every man here has his price."



Hey, that'll work -

let's sell off the ones in office now,

and replace them all!

laugh.gif


--------------------

I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
The Colonel
post Oct 14 2008, 03:13 PM
Post #8


Genius
******

Group: Members
Posts: 1,139
Joined: 8-November 07
From: England
Member No.: 216



Trouble is the replacements become as bad as the replaced, then become potential replaceables and there's a cost to pay, one way or another, in between!

Re: Animal Farm etc..........

This post has been edited by The Colonel: Oct 14 2008, 03:15 PM


--------------------

Snana, the friendly Sioux.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
mz30
post Oct 15 2008, 01:19 PM
Post #9


T.V'S AGONY UNCLE
******

Group: Global Moderator
Posts: 1,357
Joined: 14-August 07
From: liverpool,england
Member No.: 20



Politics has never been my cup of tea,but just to add something to this,does it really matter who is in power as every political party tell lies to get elected and history proves they never completely deliver what they promise.



--------------------
god my head hurts
if you don't ask you don't know




Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Eric
post Oct 15 2008, 10:09 PM
Post #10


Advanced Venter
***

Group: Members
Posts: 220
Joined: 1-January 08
Member No.: 330



QUOTE (DSTM @ Oct 14 2008, 10:11 AM) *
How true,'Z' I believe anyone can be bought, if the price is right. thumbup2.gif


Reminds me of an old joke that I once heard.

A man walks up to a woman and asks her if she would sleep with him for $1 million. She says yes. Then he asks her if she would sleep with him for $1 . She gets huffy and says "of course not, what do you think I am?" The man replies.... "We have already established what you are....We're just bickering on the price."


--------------------
The Constitution was not intended to limit the power of the people. It was intended to limit the power of the government.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
KingOfIdiocy
post Oct 17 2008, 10:10 PM
Post #11


Venting Addict
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 617
Joined: 25-July 08
Member No.: 431



QUOTE (DSTM @ Oct 14 2008, 11:11 AM) *
How true,'Z' I believe anyone can be bought, if the price is right. thumbup2.gif



Yes, but the price may not always be money or material gain.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
honu
post Oct 19 2008, 06:40 PM
Post #12


Venter
**

Group: Members
Posts: 42
Joined: 8-September 08
From: USA
Member No.: 441



Okay, someone here please explain the term pork barrel to a new voter?


--------------------
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
JohnWho
post Oct 19 2008, 07:06 PM
Post #13


Who's your Daddy?
******

Group: Moderator
Posts: 2,224
Joined: 13-August 07
From: Tampa Bay Area, Florida, USA
Member No.: 11



I'd say this is one of those cases where Wikipedia - "Pork Barrel" might be helpful.


An example might be adding a rider to a Bill that gives a grant to a city in a Senator or Congressman's district to buy a choice parcel of land. It would normally not be something that would garner Federal spending. However, to get that Senator or Congressman to vote for the larger bill, this item is added to the larger, more sweeping Federal Bill.



It really gives pork, the other white meat, a bad name, don't you think? smile.gif


--------------------

I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
honu
post Oct 20 2008, 02:37 PM
Post #14


Venter
**

Group: Members
Posts: 42
Joined: 8-September 08
From: USA
Member No.: 441



In the debates, McCain used that term often about Obama. I had no clue!
Just call me "clueless in Seattle"-lol! whistling.gif


--------------------
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 

Collapse

> Similar Topics

    Topic Title Replies Topic Starter Views Last Action
No New Posts 2 Vicki 208 1st May 2008 - 07:06 AM
Last post by: unjustjohn
No New Posts   8 The Jersey ThinkTank 300 8th December 2007 - 09:48 AM
Last post by: Vicki
No New Posts   0 unjustjohn 131 23rd February 2008 - 10:20 PM
Last post by: unjustjohn
No New Posts   4 Mr Alpha 194 12th April 2008 - 11:49 AM
Last post by: Iodine
No New Posts   6 mz30 171 28th June 2008 - 09:41 AM
Last post by: DSTM



Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 8th January 2009 - 06:54 AM