I just watched the videos of Pastor Wright. Pastor Wright has been Barack Obama's pastor for the last 20 years. I am extremely disappointed, as I felt that Barack Obama didn't have any skeletons in the closet. That he was actually the one, capable of bringing all sides together to get something accomplished.

It appears I was wrong. If you haven't seen Pastor Wright videos--it's a must see, & preferrably before you cast your vote. This man is as radical as they come. Pastor Wright, is a confirmed America hater. His statements reflect that in every way.

Obama, again "denounced" & or "rejected" Pastor Wrights statements. In a public statement tonight, 03/14/08, on FOX news. Obama states, that even though he has attended Pastor Wrights church for the last 20 years. Even though Pastor Wright, performed he & Michells wedding ceremony, & even though Pastor Wright babtized both of his girls. He had no idea that his pastor made these kind of racist & hateful statements.

In fact, Obama states: That via the recent media, (since yesterday), he just learned of these hateful statements towards--the United States, whites, & yes even Hillary Clinton. If you watch, you will note that Pastor Wright, continually "rails" about slavery & the rich white dominance over poor blacks. Then he actually comes out & blames 9/11 on the United States, stating that the "chickens have come home to roost." Obama, in his pastors defense, states: "that Pastor Wright, is just kind of like an uncle."

It should be obvious to anyone who watches these videos, that Pastor Wright is a radical loose cannon & has always been one. Pastor Wright couldn't keep his mouth shut for 20 minutes, let alone 20 years. Therefore, it is impossible for me to believe Barack Obama's public statement. "That he didn't know his pastor was a racist & someone who blames the United States first."

I understand now, where Michelle Obama's statements come from. "Preached right out of the mouth of her pastor." ie: "The United States is a "mean" country."

What I can't understand is the stupidity: Barack Obama running for President of the United States, while being a 20 year member of a racist, blame America "first" church.

I think Barack Obama with the help of his pastor, just committed political suicide.

Your thoughts?

This post has been edited by Orea: Mar 15 2008, 01:41 AM

I don't see how someone in public office would stay in a congregation where such hateful things were preached.

In 20 years, he had no idea! If he really is that clueless, he shouldn't be running for any level of public office.

Geez - this may end up handing the nomination to Hillary,

and, and, I'll bet she is thinking about someone else to be her Vice-Presidential canditate, too.

Democrat's "Dream team" is no more!

Given the often-times stupid things pastors preach from the pulpit, and that no candidate can be expected to attend each and every service, let alone agree with each and every sermon while remaining a member of that church, I am satisfied with Obama's rejection of words that might well have been taken out of context of the sermon as a whole.
Z

This is exactly what amazes me too. The irony is: Obama is always referring to Hillary, along with the entire congress & the President of being vacant of judgement.

If Obama doesn't consider being a 20 year member of a racist, radical, separist church, poor judgement, then who knows how he thinks?

Hillary would be nuts to put Obama on the ticket now.

This post has been edited by Orea: Mar 15 2008, 02:10 PM

I disagree. The churchs we choose to attend are a direct reflection of what we believe.

I've attended several Christian churches in my life-time. I don't get upset about small interpretations over bible study. However, if any pastor got behind the pulpit & stated G-Damm America, the entire congregation would have walked out. Nor would I ever consider joining a church that was racist, biased toward others & or made hateful statements against my country.

There's lots of churches in Chicago. Obama had many choices. He choose to go to this one, because it is a reflection of what he believes. Obama not only attended this church for 20 years, he financially helped to support it also.

Unfortunately for Obama, there is no gray area here.

This post has been edited by Orea: Mar 15 2008, 02:23 PM

If I were Obama, I would be far more worried over his relationship with Rezko. His answers to his associations with either of these questionable individuals are given here in a transcript of an interview with members of the Chicago Sun-Times staff today (3-15-08):

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obam...t031508.article
Z

I can not share that satisfaction with you, Z.

I've seen the video clips - it is very doubtful that they are being taken out of context, in my opinion.

Obama's comment regarding the uncle people don't talk about also implies he knew that the Pastor was not exactly main-stream, too.

I think that you are not alone in thinking that he might be able to bring all sides together. The problem is that Senator Obama lacks substance. He is a good orator and has a good demeanor about him. Certainly he has charisma. But that is all window dressing. The few times that you do see him actually discuss a potential policy of his, it becomes obvious that his ideology is highly socialist in its foundations. With someone who bases his political platform on socialist tendencies, it would be very difficult for him/her to bring together anyone other than those who think as he does.

I'm afraid I'm not that gullable, Z. There is no way you could attend a church for 20 years and NOT know what your pastor is teaching. And I don't know about you, but I have never attened a church that the pastor says,"stupid things pastors preach from the pulpit."" A pastor start that and I would be out of there. And there was NO taking what this "pastor" say out of context. He was preaching nothing but pure hate.

When his pastor says, "God Damn the United States", from the pulpit, then I would say that it was long past time to get out of that church, not put that same pastor on the payroll in your campaign group like Obama did.

Obama is certainly a great orator. But, no amount of speeches, no matter how good, are going to get him out of this mess.

Obama's polls have already dropped by 8 points, & this is just the beginning.

It's not difficult to see why so many American minds have been corrupted!



Bullseye Z. That's why I pick my candidate on the basis of his/her track record -- in this case, their voting records in Congress. I don't watch debates or follow campaigns much, only the primaries and general election.

Everybody -- including all politicians -- have "skeletons in their closets. This is why the American electorate suffers from such a clearly-defined political ignorance, and so many can't make up their minds until election day. They are waiting for the last skeleton to be exposed. Does this mean that all politic ans who belonged to Jerry Falwell's church were homophobes, or does it signify that all Jews who attend Orthodox temples (the most fundamentalist) are Zionists and hate all Arabs? I have met many members of the Nation of Islam who honestly love the church community but think Louis Fharrakan is a jerk. Some of them are married to white women who are even Jewish. How about that!

Those who believe in Obama aren't going to care much about his minister. They can make the distinction. Besides, I get the sneaky feeling the GOP is making this into a political issue. The news network I've seen this kind of hoopla is FOX. Then again, I'm sure Ruppert Murdoch will instruct all his newspapers to do the same.

Let's see....I wonder who might benefit from a sudden decline in Obama's numbers?

Uh, "GOP" -

"Grand Old P.., er, Person" Hillary!

I'll have to say that all of this has at least proven that Obama's powers of observation are severly lacking.

As to his congresional voting record, if you look carefully you will see that his favorite vote to cast is: Present. ok I'm glad he was there, but don't you think, maybe he should have an opinion?