A disturbing look into a Dem. Assemblyman's constituency (apparently)

We have a similar program here. You can avoid the tax fines howerver, if you buy the tax stamp. Like anyone is really going to go up to the tax office and ask to buy a "drug stamp" (similar to the cigarette tax stamp).

Heaven forbid we further burden the poor drug dealers, they are people too ...

From the article:


So it is the Democrat Assemblyman's desire not to overburden those who are conducting illegal acts?

Is this extreme Liberalism gone amuck, or is he afraid some of his family will lose their jobs?

Yup, it's sounds like logical progression to me.
No-more middle income to bleed.
My job might be in jeapordy.
Ah yes!
Create a new tax, that's the answer!
It amazes me how willing the non workers of society will invent means to control the worker bees.
Just cause you don't like crack doesn't mean that it shouldn't be legal.
We'll keep paying the leaders with no-answers, but in the meantime we will take away another police position or two, or lets loose a few more firemen.
Wake up ya'll .
Little brother locally and big brother federally are squeezing us to death!
Where's our backbones?
Ya know you don't have to have a gun to control society.
Wasn't it just a bunch of like minded people who threw the tea in the harbor?
Must change be any more simple?
Can't we walk together hand in hand and fire these idiots we didn't vote for?
Look at our election process.
Look at our regulatory laws.
Rules that should be set in stone are always subject to interpitation and modification.
So why not make "illegal drugs" legal through taxation?
Make the stuff so darn cheap that the junkies won't have to do anything but panhandle to get their next fix.
Sell it like candy, charge a nickel and two cents tax, and then they can stay high as a kite until they finally die. Just keep it cheap so they won't be breaking into my house to steal.


Love & Peace,
John

Is this for real???? they HAVE to be kidding, surely.....

So tell me, Is this saying drug dealing and possession is OK as long as you pay Sales Tax? Didn't they jail Al Capone for this? Ooops no that was income tax on illegal sales.

Hi I'm here to pay the tax on 20 kilos of heroin I'm about to distribute. You're not going to arrest me right? No buddy just pay the tax and it's all good. Perhaps we can hire a few more policemen to protect you while your out there earning a living.

This post has been edited by boopme: Feb 16 2008, 10:17 AM

This program was designed to be a deterant, however it has become a joke - because no one is going to get the tax stamp because they would be arrested for the illegal sale of drugs. Talk about your circle logic.

***Just cause you don't like crack doesn't mean that it shouldn't be legal.***

You didn't really just say that did you? I have personally seen what crack does to a person, if any drug should be made illegal , just because of the the medical drawbacks that occur with it, this drug is IT!

There are some drugs, like pot that I agree don't have the medical drawbacks, but this one is BAD!

I don't know how to do the little window quotee thing so I will just address this straight to Vicki.


Dear Vicki,
Yes I said make it legal.
I meant make them all,(all drugs) legal.
I lost my daughter to shooting coke and one of the biggest parts of not being able to help her off drugs was; no more room at the "in house" programs in our area.
She died on my kitchen floor with her mother and I giving her mouth to mouth.
If drugs were cheap and legal as it is in Britain, she could have gone to her local drug distrubution center and got the necessary help, and not been on a waiting list.

This statement was not made hap-hazardly and I put much time into pondering what could be if we had state and federal regulated drug centers where they could get their drugs and the professional help that my wife and I could not provide.

People here at TV seem very smart, but many times I feel like they are just saying things to hear themselves speak.

Please don't preach about drugs, "people" .
I've used them myself, and now that I am disabled I will be on hydrocodone the rest of my life!
If I had to get my drugs off the street, and I had to pay those prices, you would all be missing some stereo equipment. (plus I'd probably be dead right along with my daughter!!!!



Love & Peace,
John

First and formost John I must say, I feel very sorry for your loss, I know the pain of losing a child.

In answer to your question. Going to a drug distribution center is not the answer. Treatment centers would be more proper. Unfortunately the centers are over flowing as you stated. Legalizing the drugs would just make it easier to continue the habit. These drugs kill as you well know! Under the supervision of a Doctor, drugs like you have to take for your condition is acceptable. It's when people "self medicate" the problems occur.

At one point or another I'm sure most people have experimented with drugs. Confession time - me too, even enjoy the occasional puff, however when you are dealing with drug such as crack, meth and tar heroin, escasy etc. you are dealing with a very addictive poison.

I've watched friends waste away because they can't eat, and scratch themselves until big sores appear because of the "meth bugs". And watched the families fall apart because the drug becomes more important.

There has to be a control on what is available for people to put in their bodies. True it's up to the person to make the choice, but making it easier to obtain seems counter-productive to helping the people that are already addicted, all you will succeed in doing is to create more addicted people.

Making it legal will not stop the addiction factor.

Thanks so much for talking directly to me, sometimes I feel that people aren't listening to me.
Confessions are good for the soul, but at times embarassing.
Personally, I have tried heroin two differnet times in my life. ( knew better than mess with that one, liked it too much)
The only drugs I have not experimented with are meth and ecstasy.
And God forgive me for all the years I wasted on a bottle, but eventually I had no-problem stopping anything. ( maybe I'm just lucky) ( but I can't stop smoking, how dumb am I)
Never been in rehab never needed to do so, just got tired of all of it, and tired of paying for my so-called friends.
What I have been able to see from the Goverment sponsored drug programs in Britain, when junkies or drug addicts need their fix, they go to the centers where in order for them to get their drug of choice, they have to sit through the mandatory programs that go along with them. They have been boasting a 62% success rate, all the while the center is financed strictly off the proceeds of the sales.
Now because I got that information from my television, I can't say that those stats are for real, but they sure sound better than what we have here in the U.S.
Our government programs are always being subject to cutbacks, and are in dire need of donations to survive. Centers around here are closing their doors all the time, just when the problem is on an increase.
At least if there were self funded drug clinics, the people who are slowly killing themselves would also have access to medical intervention.
Once again, this is just my opinion, but we can't rely on our government anymore, because they keep using the drug funds to up their wages and keep the heads of departments in furs, while the grunts jobs are getting eliminated more and more everyday.
In our neighborhood, the local mayor spent ten thousand dollars to remodle his private bathroom, and forty thousand dollars on flowers for the downtown area, all the while decreasing police, fire, and sanatations services. I just can't stand this crap anymore!!!
This is not a war on drugs, but a way for those who talk the loudest agaisnt it, to keep their jobs.
Can't help the way I feel.
I'm just mad as hell and feel useless to get things changed.

Replying to my own post:
Guess I frightened you all by being so vocal with these statements.

John

I don't think you have frightened anyone, JOHN. Appreciate you telling us your story and being so honest and candid.
We all have a story to tell, some of us wish to share, and some want to put it behind them.
By telling your story, may influence other Members to share Lifes Journey,which gets pretty rough some times.
At least you are a survivor,and should be right proud of yourself.

John - not frightened,** and you have my genuine sympathy, and admiration.

I know of a family problem in this area, thank heavens not yet deadly ( as far as I know), time and our efforts will tell, but the ** was to indicate "not frightened" but worried. I am not by nature violent or bloodthirsty, I truly hope, but in our region there are known traffickers who have been warned off the schools area, but nothing else; it has been rumoured that prosecution is "very difficult" for all sorts of reasons......

When we see and hear of kids "partying" with the usual booze but "enhanced" with various available drugs, and the awful cases of death and disability resulting, I feel a strong urge to agree with the planting a .225 in the skulls of the pushers - then work up the chain to the suppliers, then the importers and so on. What does frighten me is that I have actually listened to and commented on discussions about the the feasibility of such actions.

What IS the answer - I mean, realistically? It seems that there is such huge money in drugs, the big players in the provision and supply can buy anyone and anything at any level. How can, for instance, decent and dedicated policemen bring about major results in beating the problem when other officials are raking in huge payoffs to obstruct due process, or drug lords can afford the best legal brains and loopholes to escape prosecution?? Thinking on these lines too long tends to bring the thoughts back to the .225 solution - which of course is totally wrong.

This post has been edited by Quietmike: Feb 20 2008, 11:07 PM

Okay let me try to explain in different terms.

If prohibition taught us anything, it surely taught us that oulawing something will never prevent the people who are going to abuse substances from doing so!

The "drug war" is a joke, and will never be won!

If you got the people who abuse drugs into designated centers, you have got them under your supervision and control.
While they are there, they must attend counseling, and you now have the opportunity to save those who would not be saved otherwise.
Plus don't overlook the added benefit of knowing where the addicts are!

This is not going to produce more addicts, and people who are not inclined to do drugs in the first place aren't going to rush down to the local distrubrution center to give drugs a try.

And in regards to the subject of police protection: It seems only logical that if you have the drug addicts who committ most of the crimes; ie: burglary, petty theft, purse snatching and such, the need for more officers would not be necessary.

Then you could look at the manner in which drugs become available: Pushers would be put out of business due to the centers cheaper price and higher quality. Licensed growers here in the U.S. would be paying their taxes on their sales, thus putting the drug lords out of business also, that would then reduce the horrible crimes they are involved with. (murders, rapes, slavery, etc.)

Remember this: "only a given number of people are going to use drugs in the first place, and even a smaller number of them are going to get addicted"!

Course everyone here in the good old U.S.of A. forgot that alcohol is the worse cause and effect drug ever to be used, and you all think there is nothing wrong with boozing it up now and then.
It's a fact the DEA reported in 1987, more people become alcoholics earlier in their lives than all abusers of every other substance combined!

It just makes more sense to me; if you can't win a fight, then don't get into one!
And there is absolutely no-way on this earth to win this drug war!!!!!!

Can you see my point?
Love & Peace,
John

***This is not going to produce more addicts, and people who are not inclined to do drugs in the first place aren't going to rush down to the local distrubrution center to give drugs a try.***


I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one John.

Kids are very impressionable, curious, and easily swayed. I know drugs are rampant in the Schools and its hard for the kids to avoid, but it's still done on the "down low". If a center were to open, unless there are age restrictions,(which we know don't stop kids) the children WILL go there.

Just the curiosity I see in my daughter to have a drink or try drugs, is enough warning to me. We are open in our discussions and she understands my purpose in telling her "wait till your body is done growning before you put poison in it" but this reasoning isn't going to impress her much longer, because she is 15 and moving beyond my circle of influence.

There's enough scattered brain kids out there who are just curious - and the introduction of some of the drugs available today is an instant ticket to addiction.

Why make it easier for them to begin.