Go to youtube and type a search that says, "Bhutto and the murder of Osama Bin Laden." This interview given a month before the died, she says, "not only is Osama Bin Laden dead(killed my Omar Sheik), but its pretty well known throughout the Arab world." The interviewer never even flinched! Didn't stop and say, "what? He's dead? You have proof?" Nothing. He just kept goin on. Then, the week that she was killed, she was supposed to be meeting with the CIA and the FBI about the US's involvement in continuing to lie to the American people about him still being alive. This is absolutely amazing, and the American people don't seem to even give a damn. I always knew this war was a complete sham and that 3500 of America's finest have lost their lives because of it, but I never thought this administration would go this far. But then again, they outed a spy, lied about Pat Tilman's death, and manufactured a war under false pretences, so I should've figured this. All I ask is in 1997-98, this country SCREAMED to find out if Bill Clinton cheated on his wife. We spent 50 million dollars on those proceedings and almost impeached a president who, even in Republican eyes, was doing at least a pretty good job. But no real money spent during the scandalous times of this administration? Where has this country gone? Wouldn't shock me at all if the US had something to do with Bhutto's death.

I know, you are just gonna say I'm some conspiracy theorist wackjob, and because you think that and completely denounce the idea that our government is capable of a many bad things as any other, the people on top are gonna continue doing what they're doing. Wake up America.

People who call out the truth and wanted change are always killed, must just be a coincidence though

Rabin, King, X, JFK, Bhutto, and the list goes on and on

I was under the impression that Bhutto had information about the current government, with which she was certainly not friendly, and that she was going to meet with CIA and FBI. I think the simpler solution (which is more often the case) is that the current government killed her in order for her not to release information to us. That seems to make more sense than a twisty American plot. Also, there have been other attempts on her life by non-American people. I read in Newsweek(?) that there were other suspicious occurences, such as the street lights going off on her route before a bomber tried to kill her, and government officials were in charge of the lights, and it's pretty well known that she had enemies in the government. It just seems to me that they finally got her.

I agree with you, but that doesn't answer the question, "If Osam is dead, why dont we know?"

If Osama was dead, then why are we wasting soldiers chasing him?

I was aunder the impression that the war against Osama and the war against Iraq were separate entities both under the title "War against Terror." If Osama was found dead, that doesn't mean we'll pull out of Iraq. It's just another objective finished.

I'll bet the only reason that Osama is well-known to be dead in the middle east is because he wants himself to be classified as dead. If he's dead, we don't chase him. Makes it easier for him. If Malcolm X can do it, why not Osama? Maybe this time we're just not falling for it.

So Bhutto, who is from there, has unfathomable intelligence and it known for her honesty, says it and your comment is that, "Osama is manipulating her?" When do you even question the morality of you're own government expecially this administration? They've proven what lengths they will go to protect they're economic interests, buddies, and even lies, how much more evidence do you need?

Just because the government has lied does not mean everything they say is automatically deemable a lie.

Secondly, I'm not calling Bhutto a liar. I'm saying that maybe she has been tricked.

Thirdly, The media is no friend of the government, so why haven't they jumped on this story? They jumped on the other lies. Unless, of course, there really isn't a realistic story.

Fourthly, She has "unfathomable" intelligence, even though she has been banished from Iraq for a long time? I'm from Canada. Haven't been there for 16 years. Don't know much about what's going on there politically.

Oh, and my first two points still stand. It just isn't common sense to say Osama is still alive (even though we know he is dead) and waste soldiers. What would be the point? It would only cause American morale. What interests would they be protecting by lying about Osama being dead? I can't think of any. At least, not realistic ones.

I would definitely question the morality of Osama and what he is willing to do to survive over our government.

Oh, quick edit: I would need hard proof over generalities.

This post has been edited by Sphinx: Jan 7 2008, 08:18 PM

If he's dead, why did he just issue another statement???

You don't think those tapes can be made or were made years ago?

So now you're saying it's advantageous to both the U.S. and Al Qaeda to pretend that he's still alive? Considering the fact we're at war with them, wouldn't it make sense we'd do everything we can to weaken them? The "fact" that we wouldn't sounds more than a little odd to me. Once again, I see no point in lying. It would serve absolutely no point, except to waste soldiers. If you can think of how lying would help the U.S., then by all means, share.

Oh, and I wouldn't trust rumors. This is the person who brought down the two towers and killed thousands of innocent American civilians. If I heard a rumor that he might be dead, I'm not going to stop chasing him and be satisfied. I'm going to make sure he's dead.

There is absolutely no proof that he is dead, and there is absolutely no proof that the U.S. is lying about it. I would need some before I started making accusations.

Oh, and to answer your first question:



It's simple. He's not actually dead.

It seems a leap to argue that because there is a lack of evidence that OBL is alive that OBL is NOT alive. We should ask ourselves, which is more probable and which fits in better with everything we know and see about the situation and our common conceptions about how the world works?
It certainly seems to me that if we look at all the evidence available, the probability that OBL is alive and kicking somewhere in the mountains of the border is much higher than that he is dead and for some tortuous and secret reasons everyone is PRETENDING he is alive.
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So, I should trust this administration rather than rumors? Absolutely not, can you say Pat Tillman? I'm sorry, but this administration and its control over numerous media outlets as it relates to Iraq has continuously lied. How about the Haditha situation? You hear anything about that anymore? Also, I have to believe that OBL committed 9/11 why? Cause Bush said so? No thank you. I think what has happened in the past 7 years has been carefully constructed by a group of people serving their own interests on both sides. 3 weeks before Pearl Harbor we knew it was gonna happen. Gulf of Tonkin incident that got us into Vietnam was a farce. A month before 9/11 the entire scheme was told to numerous officials including Bush himself and they did nothing. Anybody ask the question why the President of Pakistan, the same man that ordered $100,000 be sent by Omar Sheik to the people in Boca Raton for 9/11, was eating breakfast in DC the morning of 9/11? War is big business, and history teaches us that you allow something to happen, get public support, then you can push you're agenda. Don't forget that we didn't get involved with WW2 until Pearl Harbor cause the American people wouldn't support it until somethin happened to us. I'll trust Bhutto, you can believe whatever you like which is what makes this country so great